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St. Jack
2009-05-08 03:31:19 UTC
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SETTING THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER RECORD STRAIGHT.... We talked earlier
about President Obama breaking with Bush's habit of recognizing the
National Day of Prayer. In the past few hours, though, the bizarre lies
from the right about the president's decision have been remarkable.

Let's quickly summarize. In the early 1950s, when lawmakers were adding
"under God" to the Pledge and changing all American money to include the
phrase "In God We Trust," Congress created an official annual Prayer Day
for the nation. Congress, under pressure from the religious right,
changed the law in 1988 to set the National Day of Prayer as the first
Thursday in May. Obama, like his predecessors, issued a proclamation
honoring the "holiday."

So, what's the problem? Unlike George W. Bush, Obama didn't open up the
White House to the self-appointed National Day of Prayer Task Force, run
by religious right activists, which has hosted exclusive events for the
last eight years.

This has led a variety of conservatives to make a variety of
demonstrably false claims.

Lie #1: Rush Limbaugh said Obama tried to "cancel" the National Day of
Prayer.

That's obviously not true; Obama issued a proclamation acknowledging the
day. No effort was made to "cancel" anything.

Lie #2: Fox News' online project, Fox Nation, said the president "won't
celebrate" the National Day of Prayer.

Again, the proclamation proves otherwise.

Lie #3: Fox News' Gretchen Carlson said the president's decision to
participate in "private" prayer on "National Prayer Day" is evidence of
Obama "giving in to the PC society that we live in."

No one pressured Obama to keep the National Day of Prayer Task Force out
of the White House; it was just the obvious thing to do. As for the
knock on "private" prayer, I might recommend Gretchen Carlson read
Matthew 6:6.

Lie #4: Fox News' Steve Doocy said Reagan and George H. W. Bush held
events similar to that of George W. Bush.

As hard as this is to believe, Doocy has it backwards. Reagan largely
ignored the NDP for his first seven years in office.

Lie #5: Elisabeth Hasselbeck said on Fox News that the National Day of
Prayer "has been a huge tradition" in the U.S.

That's just nonsense, since most presidents, like most Americans, have
largely ignored the "holiday." Besides, Obama is keeping the
"tradition" going by doing what his predecessors have done -- he issued
a proclamation. [Update: And if we're really going to talk about
American "traditions," it's also worth remembering that Thomas Jefferson
and James Madison explicitly rejected state-sponsored prayer days. And
all Madison did was write the Constitution.]

Hasselbeck -- who is she again? -- concluded, "We should be able to
gather and pray as we see fit." What I'll never understand about
conservative activists is why they think they need government to get
involved in spiritual matters. Hasselbeck could get together with others
to pray as they see fit yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Whether the
Dobsons get to hang out in the East Room of the White House is
irrelevant.

Honestly, I'm not sure which is more annoying -- the conservatives'
prayer-related dishonesty or their prayer-related whining.

Taken from http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2188511
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Father Haskell
2009-05-09 20:39:17 UTC
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Post by St. Jack
SETTING THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER RECORD STRAIGHT.... We talked earlier
about President Obama breaking with Bush's habit of recognizing the
National Day of Prayer. In the past few hours, though, the bizarre lies
from the right about the president's decision have been remarkable.
Matt 6:6.

Jesus hates George Bush.
St. Jackanapes
2009-05-19 16:57:41 UTC
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Father Haskell wrote...
Post by Father Haskell
Post by St. Jack
SETTING THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER RECORD STRAIGHT.... We talked earlier
about President Obama breaking with Bush's habit of recognizing the
National Day of Prayer. In the past few hours, though, the bizarre lies
from the right about the president's decision have been remarkable.
Matt 6:6.
Jesus hates George Bush.
George Bush lied about Jesus!
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Father Haskell
2009-05-21 23:28:13 UTC
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Post by St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Father Haskell wrote...
Post by Father Haskell
Post by St. Jack
SETTING THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER RECORD STRAIGHT.... We talked earlier
about President Obama breaking with Bush's habit of recognizing the
National Day of Prayer. In the past few hours, though, the bizarre lies
from the right about the president's decision have been remarkable.
Matt 6:6.
Jesus hates George Bush.
George Bush lied about Jesus!
Cheney would have had him waterboarded.
Atheno
2009-05-22 00:30:31 UTC
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On Thu, 21 May 2009 18:28:13 -0500, Father Haskell wrote
(in article
Post by Father Haskell
Post by St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Father Haskell wrote...
Post by Father Haskell
Post by St. Jack
SETTING THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER RECORD STRAIGHT.... We talked earlier
about President Obama breaking with Bush's habit of recognizing the
National Day of Prayer. In the past few hours, though, the bizarre lies
from the right about the president's decision have been remarkable.
Matt 6:6.
Jesus hates George Bush.
George Bush lied about Jesus!
Cheney would have had him waterboarded.
Maybe the Shroud of Turin was used just for that purpose.
St. Jackanapes
2009-05-28 05:13:58 UTC
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Atheno wrote...
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Post by Father Haskell
Post by St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Father Haskell wrote...
Post by Father Haskell
Post by St. Jack
SETTING THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER RECORD STRAIGHT.... We talked earlier
about President Obama breaking with Bush's habit of recognizing the
National Day of Prayer. In the past few hours, though, the bizarre lies
from the right about the president's decision have been remarkable.
Matt 6:6.
Jesus hates George Bush.
George Bush lied about Jesus!
Cheney would have had him waterboarded.
Maybe the Shroud of Turin was used just for that purpose.
That explains those stains!!
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Lord Calvert
2009-05-22 00:22:41 UTC
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Post by St. Jack
Hasselbeck -- who is she again? -- concluded, "We should be able to
gather and pray as we see fit." What I'll never understand about
conservative activists is why they think they need government to get
involved in spiritual matters. Hasselbeck could get together with others
to pray as they see fit yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Whether the
Dobsons get to hang out in the East Room of the White House is
irrelevant.
Of course that is the whole point. The faith of Christian
"conservatives" (who are really nothing of the kind) is wholly
dependent on the recognition of big-government. They *need* the power
of big-government not only to bolster their own belief but to use as
an ideological hammer against other religious groups who do not
believe in the same way that they do. They have always fought not for
the independence of their faith but to have the State become the
enforcement body of theological doctrine, just as it was in their
ideal society: the former Soviet Union.

I've said it many times before but it bears repeating...today's so-
called "conservative Christians" are just commies in choir robes and
there is nothing they fight harder for than to enrich the power of big-
government to compel adherence by force because their faith cannot
stand on it's own merit and its own example.


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shortly before his death
St. Jackanapes
2009-05-28 05:34:20 UTC
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Lord Calvert wrote...
Post by Lord Calvert
Post by St. Jack
Hasselbeck -- who is she again? -- concluded, "We should be able to
gather and pray as we see fit." What I'll never understand about
conservative activists is why they think they need government to get
involved in spiritual matters. Hasselbeck could get together with others
to pray as they see fit yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Whether the
Dobsons get to hang out in the East Room of the White House is
irrelevant.
Of course that is the whole point. The faith of Christian
"conservatives" (who are really nothing of the kind) is wholly
dependent on the recognition of big-government. They *need* the power
of big-government not only to bolster their own belief but to use as
an ideological hammer against other religious groups who do not
believe in the same way that they do. They have always fought not for
the independence of their faith but to have the State become the
enforcement body of theological doctrine, just as it was in their
ideal society: the former Soviet Union.
I've said it many times before but it bears repeating...today's so-
called "conservative Christians" are just commies in choir robes and
there is nothing they fight harder for than to enrich the power of big-
government to compel adherence by force because their faith cannot
stand on it's own merit and its own example.
Wow - You've just opened my eyes to a point of view that
I hadn't considered before - and I agree with you
completely. And it makes me realize that 50's American
Conservative Christian politicians were using the USSR
to further their religious goals of tuning America into
their vision of a Christian utopia. The 1950's gave us
the "In God We Trust" crap on our coinage and "under
god" additions to the Pledge of Allegiance. And I
believe that's when the myth began about the Founding
Fathers all being devout Christians who hammered
together America on the sacred ideals of the Bible - a
myth that when challenged today can still bring out the
fighting side of the religious fanatics.

Thank you for for shining a light on part of history
that I'd missed!
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