Discussion:
What an ' atheist ' is according to the Bible, Eph.2:12
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old man joe
2011-09-23 11:47:01 UTC
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" That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and
strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world... "
Eph.2:12

in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what an ' atheist ' is... the term " without
God " is rendered by the translator's from the Greek word " atheos " from which we get our English
word " atheist. "

an atheist, then, is a person who is " without God. "

however, upon prudent examination of this passage where the word atheos is found we see that to be
atheos... without God... is by God's choice, and not that of the atheist, since all of the grace and
goodness of the Living God is not directed to the benefit of the one who is " without God."

this doctrine flows throughout the whole of Holy Scripture. the peoples of the ancient world who
were killed in the Flood of Noah's time were all atheists... not a single one of them were chosen to
be saved from the killing Flood... which, BTW, is a metaphor for the Gospel of salvation through
Jesus Christ represented by the Ark as a typology.

salvation came to Noah and his family by the Ark while those outside of the Ark, perished.
this is further spoken of in the Bible that the Gospel is a sweet perfume to those whom God favor's
by giving them life and faith in Christ unto remission of sins and completely caustic to those not
so chosen by God for life and faith in Jesus Christ. 2 Cor.2:14-16.

coupled with this is the doctrine of the Bible that an atheist is an atheist from cradle to grave,
Ps.58:3, and he remains without God in the saving sense of full deliverance from the bondage of
Satan, sin and death so that the atheist is on the outside looking in all of his life unless God
acts first to undo the state of being the atheist is in.

that the atheist curses God and his fellow man is evidence enough that he is abandoned by God.
the nature of the atheist in the inner man examples itself by his foul ball outlook on life... he
knows in his heart of hearts that only misery is in store for him day after day until the moment of
his death, at which time he is released from his continual anguish.

when the atheist curses God as he does he is evidencing to the world that he is indeed
" without God." that he is keep under bondage and dismissed to a life of chaotic reprobation by God
well demonstrates itself by the atheist that he is the cause of his own effects. for example, he
blames God for his condition all the while saying there is no such thing as God.

we note that the condition of the atheist can not ever be repaired by himself... tomorrow will be
just like today, meaningless. it takes an act of God to bring him into the salvation favor of God,
who, contrary to the theology of Mr.Everyman, does not desperately want all men to be saved.
if that were true, everyone would have climbed aboard the Ark.

on the bright side of the coin, so to speak, there is no such place or state of being as eternal
hell fire according to God's own Word, recorded for us in the Bible. the atheist simply perishes,
returns to dust from which we all are made. this evidences the great mercy of God even towards
those who curse Him.

an amazing aspect of Atheism plays out in the atheist that he will not come under the Lordship of
God of his own free will, Jn.5:40. this again shows us the condemnation he is under... he is
completely helpless and he is not about to change by any means in and of himself.
Andre Lieven
2011-09-23 12:25:17 UTC
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On Sep 23, 7:47 am, old man joe <***@themarketplace.com> wrote:

Nothing sane.
raven1
2011-09-23 12:44:19 UTC
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:47:01 -0400, old man joe
Post by old man joe
the peoples of the ancient world who
were killed in the Flood of Noah's time
You really believe that fairy tale?
Mike Lovell
2011-09-23 13:58:37 UTC
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Post by old man joe
[...]
an atheist, then, is a person who is " without God. "
No shit! What a revelation!

It can't be Gods choice BTW, God doesn't exist ;-)

Just because you're delusional doesn't mean the rest of the world is.
--
Mike

Catawimp's defeat: ***@usenet.home.b0h0.com
Why is he afraid of replying to this post in full?
Immortalist
2011-09-23 20:58:03 UTC
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Post by old man joe
[...]
an atheist, then, is a person who is " without God. "
No shit!  What a revelation!
It can't be Gods choice BTW, God doesn't exist ;-)
You have made claims that something does not exist and you must be
prepared to provide evidence for the justification of those claims.
Real atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist
and real atheists tend to be skeptical of supernatural claims, citing
a lack of empirical evidence, thats sufficient to stalemate the
opponent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
Just because you're delusional doesn't mean the rest of the world is.
--
Mike
Why is he afraid of replying to this post in full?
Mike Lovell
2011-09-23 21:39:22 UTC
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Post by Immortalist
You have made claims that something does not exist and you must be
prepared to provide evidence for the justification of those claims.
Real atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist
and real atheists tend to be skeptical of supernatural claims, citing
a lack of empirical evidence, thats sufficient to stalemate the
opponent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
Gods existence is implied by the religious, I reject that implication.
--
Mike

Catawimp's defeat: ***@usenet.home.b0h0.com
Why is he afraid of replying to this post in full?
Drafterman
2011-09-23 14:18:03 UTC
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Post by old man joe
" That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and
strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world... "
Eph.2:12
in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what an ' atheist ' is... the term " without
God " is rendered by the translator's from the Greek word " atheos " from which we get our English
word " atheist. "
an atheist, then, is a person who is " without God. "
however, upon prudent examination of this passage where the word atheos is found we see that to be
atheos... without God... is by God's choice, and not that of the atheist, since all of the grace and
goodness of the Living God is not directed to the benefit of the one who is " without God."
this doctrine flows throughout the whole of Holy Scripture.  the peoples of the ancient world who
were killed in the Flood of Noah's time were all atheists... not a single one of them were chosen to
be saved from the killing Flood... which, BTW, is a metaphor for the Gospel of salvation through
Jesus Christ represented by the Ark as a typology.
salvation came to Noah and his family by the Ark while those outside of the Ark, perished.
this is further spoken of in the Bible that the Gospel is a sweet perfume to those whom God favor's
by giving them life and faith in Christ unto remission of sins and completely caustic to those not
so chosen by God for life and faith in Jesus Christ. 2 Cor.2:14-16.
coupled with this is the doctrine of the Bible that an atheist is an atheist from cradle to grave,
Ps.58:3, and he remains without God in the saving sense of full deliverance from the bondage of
Satan, sin and death so that the atheist is on the outside looking in all of his life unless God
acts first to undo the state of being the atheist is in.
that the atheist curses God and his fellow man is evidence enough that he is abandoned by God.
the nature of the atheist in the inner man examples itself by his foul ball outlook on life... he
knows in his heart of hearts that only misery is in store for him day after day until the moment of
his death, at which time he is released from his continual anguish.
when the atheist curses God as he does he is evidencing to the world that he is indeed
" without God."  that he is keep under bondage and dismissed to a life of chaotic reprobation by God
well demonstrates itself by the atheist that he is the cause of his own effects.  for example, he
blames God for his condition all the while saying there is no such thing as God.
we note that the condition of the atheist can not ever be repaired by himself... tomorrow will be
just like today, meaningless. it takes an act of God to bring him into the salvation favor of God,
who, contrary to the theology of Mr.Everyman, does not desperately want all men to be saved.
if that were true, everyone would have climbed aboard the Ark.
on the bright side of the coin, so to speak, there is no such place or state of being as eternal
hell fire according to God's own Word, recorded for us in the Bible.  the atheist simply perishes,
returns to dust from which we all are made.  this evidences the great mercy of God even towards
those who curse Him.
an amazing aspect of Atheism plays out in the atheist that he will not come under the Lordship of
God of his own free will, Jn.5:40.  this again shows us the condemnation he is under... he is
completely helpless and he is not about to change by any means in and of himself.
Thankfully I don't rely on the Bible to tell me what words mean. Whew!
Dodged that bullet!
Davej
2011-09-23 14:34:01 UTC
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[...] ...in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what...[...]
Bible is obsolete. Go read the Qur'an.
Andre Lieven
2011-09-23 20:05:00 UTC
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Post by Davej
[...] ...in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what...[...]
Bible is obsolete. Go read the Qur'an.
Bible 2.0 ? <bg>

Andre
Suicidal_Girl
2011-09-24 15:46:08 UTC
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Post by Davej
[...] ...in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what...[...]
Bible is obsolete. Go read the Qur'an.
Doesn't the Qur'an state that "all non-believers" must be punished by
beheading for being a non-believer? Being a non-believer myself, I
have often been warned of my pending fate! Isn't this the prediction
of events that are to take place on December 12th, 2012? That there
will be mass beheadings of Gays, Non-Believers, and any who do not
accept the teachings of Islam? Guess I'm sentenced to death then!
Brave Burger
2011-09-24 23:40:57 UTC
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Post by Suicidal_Girl
Post by Davej
[...] ...in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what...[...]
Bible is obsolete. Go read the Qur'an.
Doesn't the Qur'an state that "all non-believers" must be punished by
beheading for being a non-believer? Being a non-believer myself, I
have often been warned of my pending fate! Isn't this the prediction
of events that are to take place on December 12th, 2012? That there
will be mass beheadings of Gays, Non-Believers, and any who do not
accept the teachings of Islam? Guess I'm sentenced to death then!
Neah, the twelfth Imama hasn`t returned yet.
And how will they behead the non believing D'Jinn.
Broken Neck Survivor
2011-09-29 23:47:58 UTC
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Post by Brave Burger
Post by Suicidal_Girl
Post by Davej
[...] ...in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what...[...]
Bible is obsolete. Go read the Qur'an.
Doesn't the Qur'an state that "all non-believers" must be punished by
beheading for being a non-believer?  Being a non-believer myself, I
have often been warned of my pending fate!  Isn't this the prediction
of events that are to take place on December 12th, 2012?  That there
will be mass beheadings of Gays, Non-Believers, and any who do not
accept the teachings of Islam?  Guess I'm sentenced to death then!
Neah, the twelfth Imama hasn`t returned yet.
And how will they behead the non believing D'Jinn.
This "prophesy" has been around for a while now! Somehow, I find it
hard to swallow! Besides, Islam is supposed to be a peaceful
religion. However, we have seen, especially since 9/11, that the
religion is anything but. Look at how Muslim men oppress their
women! A daughter disgraces her family and daddy either strangles her
to death or beheads her, and his actions are acceptable. But, if a
son were to disgrace his family, oh well!

As for this "cleansing" of the world on December 12th, 2012
(12/12/12), I highly doubt it! But, being a non-believer myself, if
they do behead me on that day, my last words spoken just before my
head is sliced off will be, in a very loud voice, "Fuck Mohammed!!"
Brave Burger
2011-09-30 17:31:35 UTC
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Post by Broken Neck Survivor
Post by Brave Burger
Post by Suicidal_Girl
Post by Davej
[...] ...in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what...[...]
Bible is obsolete. Go read the Qur'an.
Doesn't the Qur'an state that "all non-believers" must be punished by
beheading for being a non-believer? Being a non-believer myself, I
have often been warned of my pending fate! Isn't this the prediction
of events that are to take place on December 12th, 2012? That there
will be mass beheadings of Gays, Non-Believers, and any who do not
accept the teachings of Islam? Guess I'm sentenced to death then!
Neah, the twelfth Imama hasn`t returned yet.
And how will they behead the non believing D'Jinn.
This "prophesy" has been around for a while now! Somehow, I find it
hard to swallow! Besides, Islam is supposed to be a peaceful
religion. However, we have seen, especially since 9/11, that the
religion is anything but. Look at how Muslim men oppress their
women! A daughter disgraces her family and daddy either strangles her
to death or beheads her, and his actions are acceptable. But, if a
son were to disgrace his family, oh well!
They are actually convinced that their religion is peacefull and just.
And then you hear their justice, and it is gruesome,but for them it
is just justice, and not horrible but just. And God tells them not to
murder,
but killing unbelievers isn`t murder, it is justifiable killing for God told
them
to do it, so nothing gruesome of injust or unpeacefull about that.
We have to remember , they don`t think normally and sometimes
they just can`t, they are so wrapped up in that way of thinking that it
is impossible for them to see the eror in it, for them there isn't an error.
And when you are confronted with that you think you can reason with them
but you can`t, their brain isn`t wired like that, they are right and you are
evil
and must be removed from the world.

You are right, YOU can`t understand their thinking, I can, after a long time
listening to them. They are robots and their programming is that book of
theirs.
It is the absolute truth even if you logically explain the faults in the
writing, they will
just continue believing that it is the absolute truth, it is the truth
because it says it
is the truth, circular reasoning.

That is blind faith, the most dangerous evil there is in this world. )O+->
Although, theirs is not only blind, it is also deaf and emotionless.
It is actually a zombie religion.
Post by Broken Neck Survivor
As for this "cleansing" of the world on December 12th, 2012
(12/12/12), I highly doubt it!
It isn`t 12 12 12, it is 21 12 12* actually according to the maya inca
whatever
new agers. ;o) (*europan notation, american notation 12 21 12 ;o))

But it had a date before that 26 to 28 september 2011, which went by,
but a rerun possibility in october this year or something.
Post by Broken Neck Survivor
But, being a non-believer myself, if
they do behead me on that day, my last words spoken just before my
head is sliced off will be, in a very loud voice, "Fuck Mohammed!!"
No, you might end up as one of his virgins with such a last request... ;o)
Father Haskell
2011-09-29 01:25:50 UTC
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Post by Davej
[...] ...in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what...[...]
Bible is obsolete. Go read the Qur'an.
The qur'an is *so* the millenium before last. Go read the
urantia book.
Brave Burger
2011-09-23 15:56:04 UTC
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Post by old man joe
" That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the
commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having
no hope, and without God in the world... "
Eph.2:12
in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what an ' atheist '
is... the term " without God " is rendered by the translator's from the
Greek
word " atheos " from which we get our English word " atheist. "
an atheist, then, is a person who is " without God. "
well more without god believe, since there is none.
Post by old man joe
however, upon prudent examination of this passage where the word atheos is
found we see that to be atheos... without God... is by God's choice, and
not
that of the atheist, since all of the grace and goodness of the Living God
is
not directed to the benefit of the one who is " without God."
So he is a lucky charm , well not if you look at job.
Post by old man joe
this doctrine flows throughout the whole of Holy Scripture. the peoples
of
the ancient world who were killed in the Flood of Noah's time were all
atheists... not a single one of them were chosen to be saved from the
killing
Flood... which, BTW, is a metaphor for the Gospel of salvation through
Jesus
Christ represented by the Ark as a typology.
Okay who did Noah and his daughters and sons fuck then?
So inbred we are?
Post by old man joe
salvation came to Noah and his family by the Ark while those outside of
the
Ark, perished.
Sure even if it was true, no other boats existed?
Post by old man joe
this is further spoken of in the Bible that the Gospel is a sweet perfume
to
those whom God favor's by giving them life and faith in Christ unto
remission
of sins and completely caustic to those not so chosen by God for life and
faith in Jesus Christ. 2 Cor.2:14-16.
While I use it as toiletpaper.
Post by old man joe
coupled with this is the doctrine of the Bible that an atheist is an
atheist
from cradle to grave, Ps.58:3, and he remains without God in the saving
sense
of full deliverance from the bondage of Satan, sin and death so that the
atheist is on the outside looking in all of his life unless God acts first
to
undo the state of being the atheist is in.
Oh great, so I can`t help being an atheist too, bloody hell. ;o)
Post by old man joe
that the atheist curses God and his fellow man is evidence enough that he
is
abandoned by God.
the nature of the atheist in the inner man examples itself by his foul
ball
outlook on life... he knows in his heart of hearts that only misery is in
store for him day after day until the moment of his death, at which time
he
is released from his continual anguish.
Ah sounds great, my only salvation is liberation from the Creator and it's
creation.
Post by old man joe
when the atheist curses God as he does he is evidencing to the world that
he
is indeed " without God." that he is keep under bondage and dismissed to
a
life of chaotic reprobation by God well demonstrates itself by the atheist
that he is the cause of his own effects. for example, he blames God for
his
condition all the while saying there is no such thing as God.
we note that the condition of the atheist can not ever be repaired by
himself... tomorrow will be just like today, meaningless. it takes an act
of
God to bring him into the salvation favor of God, who, contrary to the
theology of Mr.Everyman, does not desperately want all men to be saved.
if that were true, everyone would have climbed aboard the Ark.
Yeah like he had enough food for that.
Post by old man joe
on the bright side of the coin, so to speak, there is no such place or
state
of being as eternal hell fire according to God's own Word, recorded for us
in
the Bible. the atheist simply perishes, returns to dust from which we all
are made. this evidences the great mercy of God even towards those who
curse
Him.
Oh wow, he shuts us out and it is our own fault, bloody hell.
Well I rather had it that he didn`t create me at all, you can tell him that.
Post by old man joe
an amazing aspect of Atheism plays out in the atheist that he will not
come
under the Lordship of God of his own free will, Jn.5:40. this again shows
us
the condemnation he is under... he is completely helpless and he is not
about
to change by any means in and of himself.
Which shows what utter bastard that creator of yours is.
jesshc
2011-09-23 19:00:18 UTC
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Post by old man joe
" That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and
strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world... "
Eph.2:12
in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what an ' atheist ' is... the term " without
God " is rendered by the translator's from the Greek word " atheos " from which we get our English
word " atheist. "
an atheist, then, is a person who is " without God. "
however, upon prudent examination of this passage where the word atheos is found we see that to be
atheos... without God... is by God's choice, and not that of the atheist, since all of the grace and
goodness of the Living God is not directed to the benefit of the one who is " without God."
this doctrine flows throughout the whole of Holy Scripture.  the peoples of the ancient world who
were killed in the Flood of Noah's time were all atheists... not a single one of them were chosen to
be saved from the killing Flood... which, BTW, is a metaphor for the Gospel of salvation through
Jesus Christ represented by the Ark as a typology.
salvation came to Noah and his family by the Ark while those outside of the Ark, perished.
this is further spoken of in the Bible that the Gospel is a sweet perfume to those whom God favor's
by giving them life and faith in Christ unto remission of sins and completely caustic to those not
so chosen by God for life and faith in Jesus Christ. 2 Cor.2:14-16.
coupled with this is the doctrine of the Bible that an atheist is an atheist from cradle to grave,
Ps.58:3, and he remains without God in the saving sense of full deliverance from the bondage of
Satan, sin and death so that the atheist is on the outside looking in all of his life unless God
acts first to undo the state of being the atheist is in.
that the atheist curses God and his fellow man is evidence enough that he is abandoned by God.
the nature of the atheist in the inner man examples itself by his foul ball outlook on life... he
knows in his heart of hearts that only misery is in store for him day after day until the moment of
his death, at which time he is released from his continual anguish.
when the atheist curses God as he does he is evidencing to the world that he is indeed
" without God."  that he is keep under bondage and dismissed to a life of chaotic reprobation by God
well demonstrates itself by the atheist that he is the cause of his own effects.  for example, he
blames God for his condition all the while saying there is no such thing as God.
we note that the condition of the atheist can not ever be repaired by himself... tomorrow will be
just like today, meaningless. it takes an act of God to bring him into the salvation favor of God,
who, contrary to the theology of Mr.Everyman, does not desperately want all men to be saved.
if that were true, everyone would have climbed aboard the Ark.
on the bright side of the coin, so to speak, there is no such place or state of being as eternal
hell fire according to God's own Word, recorded for us in the Bible.  the atheist simply perishes,
returns to dust from which we all are made.  this evidences the great mercy of God even towards
those who curse Him.
an amazing aspect of Atheism plays out in the atheist that he will not come under the Lordship of
God of his own free will, Jn.5:40.  this again shows us the condemnation he is under... he is
completely helpless and he is not about to change by any means in and of himself.
Wow, what a moron.
panamfloyd@hotmail.com rade
2011-09-23 22:10:24 UTC
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On Sep 23, 7:47 am, old man joe <***@themarketplace.com> wrote:

snip

http://tinyurl.com/3z7tb4j

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain

Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Edward Curtis
2011-09-24 13:51:35 UTC
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Post by old man joe
we note that the condition of the atheist can not ever be repaired by himself... tomorrow will be
just like today, meaningless. it takes an act of God to bring him into the salvation favor of God,
who, contrary to the theology of Mr.Everyman, does not desperately want all men to be saved.
if that were true, everyone would have climbed aboard the Ark.
It is amazing to see old man joe so boldly contradict a very clear
doctrine of Holy Scripture, here in this paragraph. Well, maybe not
so amazing; based on his history in the Catholic and Orthodox groups,
he has no problem with lying about the beliefs of other Christians, so
it's perhaps only natural that he would also lie about what the Bible
says.

It is written in Paul's first letter to Timothy, chapter 2 (NIV):

1 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession
and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in
authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness
and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 *****who
wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the
truth.****

Since joe so clearly flubs a key point of Christian sotieriology (that
is, the study of the Christian doctrines of salvation), I see no need
to pay any attention to anything else he says about the Bible.

Edward
Conan the bacterium
2011-09-28 17:22:11 UTC
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Post by old man joe
" That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and
strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world... "
Eph.2:12
in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what an ' atheist ' is... the term " without
God " is rendered by the translator's from the Greek word " atheos " from which we get our English
word " atheist. "
an atheist, then, is a person who is " without God. "
however, upon prudent examination of this passage where the word atheos is found we see that to be
atheos... without God... is by God's choice, and not that of the atheist, since all of the grace and
goodness of the Living God is not directed to the benefit of the one who is " without God."
this doctrine flows throughout the whole of Holy Scripture.  the peoples of the ancient world who
were killed in the Flood of Noah's time were all atheists... not a single one of them were chosen to
be saved from the killing Flood... which, BTW, is a metaphor for the Gospel of salvation through
Jesus Christ represented by the Ark as a typology.
salvation came to Noah and his family by the Ark while those outside of the Ark, perished.
this is further spoken of in the Bible that the Gospel is a sweet perfume to those whom God favor's
by giving them life and faith in Christ unto remission of sins and completely caustic to those not
so chosen by God for life and faith in Jesus Christ. 2 Cor.2:14-16.
coupled with this is the doctrine of the Bible that an atheist is an atheist from cradle to grave,
Ps.58:3, and he remains without God in the saving sense of full deliverance from the bondage of
Satan, sin and death so that the atheist is on the outside looking in all of his life unless God
acts first to undo the state of being the atheist is in.
that the atheist curses God and his fellow man is evidence enough that he is abandoned by God.
the nature of the atheist in the inner man examples itself by his foul ball outlook on life... he
knows in his heart of hearts that only misery is in store for him day after day until the moment of
his death, at which time he is released from his continual anguish.
when the atheist curses God as he does he is evidencing to the world that he is indeed
" without God."  that he is keep under bondage and dismissed to a life of chaotic reprobation by God
well demonstrates itself by the atheist that he is the cause of his own effects.  for example, he
blames God for his condition all the while saying there is no such thing as God.
we note that the condition of the atheist can not ever be repaired by himself... tomorrow will be
just like today, meaningless. it takes an act of God to bring him into the salvation favor of God,
who, contrary to the theology of Mr.Everyman, does not desperately want all men to be saved.
if that were true, everyone would have climbed aboard the Ark.
on the bright side of the coin, so to speak, there is no such place or state of being as eternal
hell fire according to God's own Word, recorded for us in the Bible.  the atheist simply perishes,
returns to dust from which we all are made.  this evidences the great mercy of God even towards
those who curse Him.
an amazing aspect of Atheism plays out in the atheist that he will not come under the Lordship of
God of his own free will, Jn.5:40.  this again shows us the condemnation he is under... he is
completely helpless and he is not about to change by any means in and of himself.
"What is an atheist, according to the Bible"?

How about someone who could care less
about that very thing?


conan
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