Genesis 6 ( not 5 ) the Flood did indeed happen and this is how the Atheists help prove it... ( from alt.talk.creationism )

[old man joe]

wonderfully, God has so constructed the nature of man that even the reprobate's bring glory to Him
when they deny His existence or some particular work He has done. you can read all about it in
Php. 1:28; Jn. 8:43,44 for example.

the Flood is one such thing the God hater's find an appalling lie and something of which never
happened. 1 Cor. 1:18

this stems from the Atheists point of view that there is no God to answer to... therefore the Flood
didn't happen. the Flood was God's actual judgement against sinful man. the Atheist knows he is
sinful. so in order to quell his fear he has to default to a position of denial that the Flood has
never happened.

the Atheist doesn't want to be judged by God because he not only know's for certain there is God
Eternal ( Ro. 1:19 ) who holds him in contempt, daily, ( Ps. 7:11 )... upon whom " the wrath of God
abides, " ( Jn. 3:36 ) but also because God has so designed things that "... the wrath of man shall
praise You; with a remnant of wrath You will gird Yourself. " Ps. 76:10

added to this even more is that God has so designed things that God hater's are in the world as a
sign to the elect that they are indeed saved by the faith of Jesus Christ as we read in Php. 1:28 as
the God hater's display their hate. after all, that's one reason why His is Almighty.

believer's rejoice in the foul language hurled at them for the sake of Christ as the Atheist's
display their hatred of God and all things He has done... they killed Christ didn't they ? ... what
do you think they think of you then, the elect, those shown mercy and not judgement as they ?
know that they hated Christ before they hated you. Jn. 15:18

no Atheist will go to the gallows's for his belief in Evolution nor his belief there was no Flood...
he will quickly turn in order to save his life... this world is all he has.

[Erwin Moller]

Post by old man joe
wonderfully, God has so constructed the nature of man that even the reprobate's bring glory to Him
when they deny His existence or some particular work He has done. you can read all about it in
Php. 1:28; Jn. 8:43,44 for example.

Hi, it is spammer Joe again.
Always a pleasure...

Are you still having this habbit of spamming many newsgroups at once
without ever reading the responses?

In that case: Stuff it, you coward.

No point in crafting an intelligent reply to your lies.

Erwin Moller

[old man joe]

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:48:42 +0100, Erwin Moller

Post by Erwin Moller

Post by old man joe
wonderfully, God has so constructed the nature of man that even the reprobate's bring glory to Him
when they deny His existence or some particular work He has done. you can read all about it in
Php. 1:28; Jn. 8:43,44 for example.

Hi, it is spammer Joe again.
Always a pleasure...
Are you still having this habbit of spamming many newsgroups at once
without ever reading the responses?
In that case: Stuff it, you coward.
No point in crafting an intelligent reply to your lies.
Erwin Moller

you can't craft an intelligent reply... you've shown that in this one... you need to hide your
ignorance by dodging and by making personal attacks as all Atheists in the mold.

[Erwin Moller]

Post by old man joe
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:48:42 +0100, Erwin Moller

Post by Erwin Moller

Post by old man joe
wonderfully, God has so constructed the nature of man that even the reprobate's bring glory to Him
when they deny His existence or some particular work He has done. you can read all about it in
Php. 1:28; Jn. 8:43,44 for example.

Hi, it is spammer Joe again.
Always a pleasure...
Are you still having this habbit of spamming many newsgroups at once
without ever reading the responses?
In that case: Stuff it, you coward.
No point in crafting an intelligent reply to your lies.
Erwin Moller

Congratulations, a response.
An evasive one, but at least a response.

Post by old man joe
you can't craft an intelligent reply... you've shown that in this one...

I surely can.
The fact I didn't do it in the last reply is simply: I wasted a few
hours on you already, writing intelligent responses.
Your response? None at all.
Ducking. Evasive maneuvers, etc. The usual creationist actions.

I am perfectly willing to have a decent discussion with you.
I promise I'll stay civil.
But you and I both know you won't do that.
You had many chances before, and you always run.

So tell me, why should I AGAIN write a wellthought response to you?
You ignore everybody that doesn't hang on your lips, drinking your
words, and believing it all because Joe said it.
Sorry mate, I have a brain and can think for myself. I won't let a
fundie dictate how to think.

But still, if you care for a serious discussion about theism/atheism or
morality or whatever, I am here.

Post by old man joe
you need to hide your
ignorance by dodging and by making personal attacks as all Atheists in the mold.

I don't need to hide my ignorance.
I am always willing to admit that I was not born with all knowledge.

Arrogance is the way of the creationist.
Claiming God exists without proof. Claiming Jesus lived and preformed
miracles. Claiming the bible is completely true, even though it is full
of contradictions. Claiming the Earth is 6000 years or or so, despite
scientific evidence that it is much older.

Really: arrogance is the way of the creationist.


Creationists are very reluctant to admit they don't know certain things
and simply make stuff up along. If somebody doubts their words, they
make an appeal to authority, and avoid the difficult questions in that
lame way.

I prefer the scientific way: A much better approach to reality because
that method has built into it ways to deal with nonsense.

So call me arrogant/ignorant all you will.

Irritated by this response?
Proof me wrong and start a discussion (and finish it!) instead of having
monologues in 10 newsgroups at the same time....


Erwin Moller

[Virgil]

Post by old man joe
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:48:42 +0100, Erwin Moller

Post by Erwin Moller

Post by old man joe
wonderfully, God has so constructed the nature of man that even the
reprobate's bring glory to Him
when they deny His existence or some particular work He has done. you can
read all about it in
Php. 1:28; Jn. 8:43,44 for example.

Hi, it is spammer Joe again.
Always a pleasure...
Are you still having this habbit of spamming many newsgroups at once
without ever reading the responses?
In that case: Stuff it, you coward.
No point in crafting an intelligent reply to your lies.
Erwin Moller

you can't craft an intelligent reply.

We non-theists, being merely skeptical rather than rabidly dogmatic,
have nothing to prove and no need for any proofs.

You theists, being rabidly dogmatic rather than merely skeptical, have
dire need, but no supply, of proofs to support your dogma.

[Robibnikoff]

"old man joe" <***@home.com> wrote

Complaint sent.

[raven1]

Post by old man joe
wonderfully, God has so constructed the nature of man that even the reprobate's bring glory to Him
when they deny His existence or some particular work He has done. you can read all about it in
Php. 1:28; Jn. 8:43,44 for example.
the Flood is one such thing the God hater's find an appalling lie and something of which never
happened. 1 Cor. 1:18
this stems from the Atheists point of view that there is no God to answer to... therefore the Flood
didn't happen. the Flood was God's actual judgement against sinful man. the Atheist knows he is
sinful. so in order to quell his fear he has to default to a position of denial that the Flood has
never happened.
the Atheist doesn't want to be judged by God because he not only know's for certain there is God
Eternal ( Ro. 1:19 ) who holds him in contempt, daily, ( Ps. 7:11 )... upon whom " the wrath of God
abides, " ( Jn. 3:36 ) but also because God has so designed things that "... the wrath of man shall
praise You; with a remnant of wrath You will gird Yourself. " Ps. 76:10
added to this even more is that God has so designed things that God hater's are in the world as a
sign to the elect that they are indeed saved by the faith of Jesus Christ as we read in Php. 1:28 as
the God hater's display their hate. after all, that's one reason why His is Almighty.
believer's rejoice in the foul language hurled at them for the sake of Christ as the Atheist's
display their hatred of God and all things He has done... they killed Christ didn't they ? ... what
do you think they think of you then, the elect, those shown mercy and not judgement as they ?
know that they hated Christ before they hated you. Jn. 15:18
no Atheist will go to the gallows's for his belief in Evolution nor his belief there was no Flood...
he will quickly turn in order to save his life... this world is all he has.

"Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter

[old man joe]

Post by raven1

Post by old man joe
wonderfully, God has so constructed the nature of man that even the reprobate's bring glory to Him
when they deny His existence or some particular work He has done. you can read all about it in
Php. 1:28; Jn. 8:43,44 for example.
the Flood is one such thing the God hater's find an appalling lie and something of which never
happened. 1 Cor. 1:18
this stems from the Atheists point of view that there is no God to answer to... therefore the Flood
didn't happen. the Flood was God's actual judgement against sinful man. the Atheist knows he is
sinful. so in order to quell his fear he has to default to a position of denial that the Flood has
never happened.
the Atheist doesn't want to be judged by God because he not only know's for certain there is God
Eternal ( Ro. 1:19 ) who holds him in contempt, daily, ( Ps. 7:11 )... upon whom " the wrath of God
abides, " ( Jn. 3:36 ) but also because God has so designed things that "... the wrath of man shall
praise You; with a remnant of wrath You will gird Yourself. " Ps. 76:10
added to this even more is that God has so designed things that God hater's are in the world as a
sign to the elect that they are indeed saved by the faith of Jesus Christ as we read in Php. 1:28 as
the God hater's display their hate. after all, that's one reason why His is Almighty.
believer's rejoice in the foul language hurled at them for the sake of Christ as the Atheist's
display their hatred of God and all things He has done... they killed Christ didn't they ? ... what
do you think they think of you then, the elect, those shown mercy and not judgement as they ?
know that they hated Christ before they hated you. Jn. 15:18
no Atheist will go to the gallows's for his belief in Evolution nor his belief there was no Flood...
he will quickly turn in order to save his life... this world is all he has.

"Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter

you need to curse in a personal attack in order to feel superior and to hide your ignorance.

ha. this is the best proof an Atheist can offer when backed into a corner.

[raven1]

Post by old man joe

Post by raven1

Post by old man joe
wonderfully, God has so constructed the nature of man that even the reprobate's bring glory to Him
when they deny His existence or some particular work He has done. you can read all about it in
Php. 1:28; Jn. 8:43,44 for example.
the Flood is one such thing the God hater's find an appalling lie and something of which never
happened. 1 Cor. 1:18
this stems from the Atheists point of view that there is no God to answer to... therefore the Flood
didn't happen. the Flood was God's actual judgement against sinful man. the Atheist knows he is
sinful. so in order to quell his fear he has to default to a position of denial that the Flood has
never happened.
the Atheist doesn't want to be judged by God because he not only know's for certain there is God
Eternal ( Ro. 1:19 ) who holds him in contempt, daily, ( Ps. 7:11 )... upon whom " the wrath of God
abides, " ( Jn. 3:36 ) but also because God has so designed things that "... the wrath of man shall
praise You; with a remnant of wrath You will gird Yourself. " Ps. 76:10
added to this even more is that God has so designed things that God hater's are in the world as a
sign to the elect that they are indeed saved by the faith of Jesus Christ as we read in Php. 1:28 as
the God hater's display their hate. after all, that's one reason why His is Almighty.
believer's rejoice in the foul language hurled at them for the sake of Christ as the Atheist's
display their hatred of God and all things He has done... they killed Christ didn't they ? ... what
do you think they think of you then, the elect, those shown mercy and not judgement as they ?
know that they hated Christ before they hated you. Jn. 15:18
no Atheist will go to the gallows's for his belief in Evolution nor his belief there was no Flood...
he will quickly turn in order to save his life... this world is all he has.

"Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter

you need to curse in a personal attack in order to feel superior and to hide your ignorance.
ha. this is the best proof an Atheist can offer when backed into a corner.

I'm not trying to "prove" anything. I'm just observing that you're
pretty fucking stupid.

[Virgil]

Post by old man joe
ha. this is the best proof an Atheist can offer when backed into a corner.

Since atheists (at least the merely non-theist ones) are only skeptical,
not dogmatic, they have not put themselves in any place needing proofs.

But you theists, who are dogmatic, rather than skeptical, are in dire
need of proofs you do not have and cannot get.

[St. Jackanapes]

Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Virgil said...

Post by Virgil

Post by old man joe
ha. this is the best proof an Atheist can offer when backed into a corner.

Since atheists (at least the merely non-theist ones) are only skeptical,
not dogmatic, they have not put themselves in any place needing proofs.
But you theists, who are dogmatic, rather than skeptical, are in dire
need of proofs you do not have and cannot get.

It's up to them to prove a negative.

[St. Jackanapes]

Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, old man joe said...

Post by old man joe

Post by raven1

Post by old man joe
wonderfully, God has so constructed the nature of man that even the reprobate's bring glory to Him
when they deny His existence or some particular work He has done. you can read all about it in
Php. 1:28; Jn. 8:43,44 for example.
the Flood is one such thing the God hater's find an appalling lie and something of which never
happened. 1 Cor. 1:18
this stems from the Atheists point of view that there is no God to answer to... therefore the Flood
didn't happen. the Flood was God's actual judgement against sinful man. the Atheist knows he is
sinful. so in order to quell his fear he has to default to a position of denial that the Flood has
never happened.
the Atheist doesn't want to be judged by God because he not only know's for certain there is God
Eternal ( Ro. 1:19 ) who holds him in contempt, daily, ( Ps. 7:11 )... upon whom " the wrath of God
abides, " ( Jn. 3:36 ) but also because God has so designed things that "... the wrath of man shall
praise You; with a remnant of wrath You will gird Yourself. " Ps. 76:10
added to this even more is that God has so designed things that God hater's are in the world as a
sign to the elect that they are indeed saved by the faith of Jesus Christ as we read in Php. 1:28 as
the God hater's display their hate. after all, that's one reason why His is Almighty.
believer's rejoice in the foul language hurled at them for the sake of Christ as the Atheist's
display their hatred of God and all things He has done... they killed Christ didn't they ? ... what
do you think they think of you then, the elect, those shown mercy and not judgement as they ?
know that they hated Christ before they hated you. Jn. 15:18
no Atheist will go to the gallows's for his belief in Evolution nor his belief there was no Flood...
he will quickly turn in order to save his life... this world is all he has.

"Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter

you need to curse in a personal attack in order to feel superior and to hide your ignorance.
ha. this is the best proof an Atheist can offer when backed into a corner.

So your answer is yes.

[Virgil]

Post by old man joe
wonderfully, God has so constructed the nature of man

You have it backwards, as usual.

It is mankind which is forever constructing a supposed nature of some
god or another.

[Sla#s]

Post by old man joe
...
the Flood is one such thing the God hater's find an appalling lie and
something of which never happened. 1 Cor. 1:18

Ah yes, Noah's flood...
Where the sedimentary layers show that the slower animals were killed first
and the faster ones were able to climb higher to escape the rising waters...

Still, it's strange how an oak tree was able to run faster than a
velociraptor!

Slatts

[old man joe]

Post by Sla#s

Post by old man joe
...
the Flood is one such thing the God hater's find an appalling lie and
something of which never happened. 1 Cor. 1:18

Ah yes, Noah's flood...
Where the sedimentary layers show that the slower animals were killed first
and the faster ones were able to climb higher to escape the rising waters...
Still, it's strange how an oak tree was able to run faster than a
velociraptor!
Slatts

uprooted oak trees float. and where is there to run from a global flood which ceased after covering
the highest mountain ?

[Virgil]

Post by old man joe
uprooted oak trees float.

But mere rain does not uproot them.

We non-theists by being merely skeptics and not raging dogmatists avoid
any need for proofs.

You theists, of whatever dubious flavor, by being raging dogmatists and
not mere skeptics like us, have a dire need of, but singular lack of,
proof of your dogma.

[St. Jackanapes]

Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Virgil said...

Post by Virgil

Post by old man joe
uprooted oak trees float.

But mere rain does not uproot them.
We non-theists by being merely skeptics and not raging dogmatists avoid
any need for proofs.
You theists, of whatever dubious flavor, by being raging dogmatists and
not mere skeptics like us, have a dire need of, but singular lack of,
proof of your dogma.

Say it like it is to this elementary school drop-out. He doesn't
understand the big words or the even larger concepts. Spooks and
angels and imaginary glowy things do NOT cause rain, nor global
floods (as if that were even possible) no matter how hard
superstitious people like Joe want his special god to punish
blacks, atheists, non-believers and the national Geographic
Channel - let's not forget the Discovery Channel.. He cannot
begin to comprehend the grand scale of what the entire massive
universe - a life-form all its own that is beyond any of our
most intelligent humans comprehension - ourselves only a small
unimportant bit of a vast whole that we will *never* know.

I feel sad for Joe's bitterness. He hates himself for his own
lack of intelligence. So he lashes out at violently at anything
that is beyond his understanding. TV channels are his frequent
targets. Those same channels that work so hard to try and bring
the human race up to the levels that we should be.

But where does Joe think that we should be? First, let me say
where WE ALL SHOULD BE: Believers & non-believers should be
working toward making the human race a life form that may one
day escape beyond our birth star and cross the great distances
in space and evolutionary so that the Children of Earth may one
day think back to our home.

Will that be possible? Not with the planet 50% full of
superstitious fools. We are star children. But we got here
without ships which means that we have no knowledge of who gave
us the ability to take different chemicals, spark ourselves to
life - which seems to be preprogrammed - no Deity needed.

The Universe, life, DNA - it's all a big "Shake & Bake" and we
are just tiny little observers - and results - of everything
that we see at night!

[St. Jackanapes]

Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, old man joe said...

Post by old man joe

Post by Sla#s

Post by old man joe
...
the Flood is one such thing the God hater's find an appalling lie and
something of which never happened. 1 Cor. 1:18

Ah yes, Noah's flood...
Where the sedimentary layers show that the slower animals were killed first
and the faster ones were able to climb higher to escape the rising waters...
Still, it's strange how an oak tree was able to run faster than a
velociraptor!
Slatts

uprooted oak trees float. and where is there to run from a
global flood which ceased after covering
the highest mountain ?

Global floods are impossible by their very name. Try again,
junior.