Discussion:
Indisputible argument against Noahs' Ark >>> much to the contrary...
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old man joe
2010-04-11 10:04:54 UTC
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When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary, you simply assume there was no room.
Most
Theologians solve this by saying that not every species was brought
aboard, just every "kind".
how is it that you speak for " most theologians " ? that's the same as saying you've read every
theologians work there ever was who commented on this subject, added up those for and against, and
you've found 51 percent of them saying the mystery is solved.

and since when do most theologians speak for God ? that's the same as saying 51 percent of people
biased toward Adolf Hitler conclude he was doing the right thing so therefore Adolf Hitler was a
good man.
This means that only the basic "kinds" of animals, dogs, cats,
elephants, and so on, were brought aboard.
So, assuming evolution does not occur, there should only be one
species of cat, dog, elephant, and so on on the earth because all of
them are decended from the original 2 (or 7, in the case of the clean
animals)of each "kind".
it can not be " assumed " evolution did not occur... evolution positively did not occur because life
doesn't come from elements that are not alive. you don't get life out of absolute sterility from a
molten cinder the evolutionists describe the earth as being. neither is time alive. you don't get
non-living things to come to life over time. that's the same as saying just wait long enough and
every dead body in the grave will come back to life if given enough time, and the dirt under my feet
will come to life if given enough time.

evolution is implausible and untenable.
But if you simply look around a bit, you'll find all manner of cats,
big cats, small cats, cats with short hair, long hair, varying fur
patterns, varying ear sizes, varying ear shapes... How is it that we
ended up with (at least) 41 different species of cat when we only had
one to start with? I know one theory that has an answer!
well just look around a bit and there is one manner of human beings... but some are oriental, some
are negro, some are caucasian; some have reddish skin, some have blackish skin, some have whitish
skin, some have yellowish skin.

yet, all came from Adam through Noah as it is to this day.

furthermore, the Ark is much more than just a big boat. there is a spiritual meaning to it... the
Ark is a type or metaphorical picture of Jesus Christ. while the world and all whom God destroyed
with the Flood were not chosen by God to enter the Ark, 8 souls were, which is what the End of the
world will be like... those in Christ shall be saved from the destruction to come while those
outside will perish. ( Rev. 22;15 )

lastly, the Rainbow we see in the sky to this day is the sign of the Covenant God made after the
Flood that He would not again destroy the earth with water... that is, the Gospel, but next time
with fire, a synonym for Judgment.

God's destruction of sinner's by the Flood and the saving of Noah and his family and 2 and 7 of
animals in the Ark may sound ridiculous to the unrepentant sinner of today and that's one reason why
God included the telling of it in the Holy Scriptures... the telling of it separates the wheat from
the tares... " For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which
are saved it is the power of God. " 1 Cor. 1:18
Free Lunch
2010-04-11 14:08:31 UTC
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Post by old man joe
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary, you simply assume there was no room.
There was no Flood, so it does not matter that there was no ark. The
story in the Bible told us of a totally unseaworthy vessel that would
have killed the residents if the boat hadn't broken up the first moment
it was asked to float.
Post by old man joe
Most
Theologians solve this by saying that not every species was brought
aboard, just every "kind".
how is it that you speak for " most theologians " ? that's the same as saying you've read every
theologians work there ever was who commented on this subject, added up those for and against, and
you've found 51 percent of them saying the mystery is solved.
and since when do most theologians speak for God ? that's the same as saying 51 percent of people
biased toward Adolf Hitler conclude he was doing the right thing so therefore Adolf Hitler was a
good man.
The whole point of all religion is 'speaking for God'. It doesn't matter
if the alleged god exists.
Post by old man joe
This means that only the basic "kinds" of animals, dogs, cats,
elephants, and so on, were brought aboard.
So, assuming evolution does not occur, there should only be one
species of cat, dog, elephant, and so on on the earth because all of
them are decended from the original 2 (or 7, in the case of the clean
animals)of each "kind".
it can not be " assumed " evolution did not occur... evolution positively did not occur because life
doesn't come from elements that are not alive.
Even if your false claim were true, it would have nothing to do with
evolution.
Post by old man joe
you don't get life out of absolute sterility from a
molten cinder the evolutionists describe the earth as being. neither is time alive. you don't get
non-living things to come to life over time. that's the same as saying just wait long enough and
every dead body in the grave will come back to life if given enough time, and the dirt under my feet
will come to life if given enough time.
Repeating your lies will not make them true, not even if you claim that
God told you to tell those lies. That will only remind us of the lack of
respect you have for the God you claim to worship.
Post by old man joe
evolution is implausible and untenable.
You are ignorant and proud of your ignorance.
Post by old man joe
But if you simply look around a bit, you'll find all manner of cats,
big cats, small cats, cats with short hair, long hair, varying fur
patterns, varying ear sizes, varying ear shapes... How is it that we
ended up with (at least) 41 different species of cat when we only had
one to start with? I know one theory that has an answer!
well just look around a bit and there is one manner of human beings... but some are oriental, some
are negro, some are caucasian; some have reddish skin, some have blackish skin, some have whitish
skin, some have yellowish skin.
yet, all came from Adam through Noah as it is to this day.
They did not. That is a lie that you are telling. The evidence shows us
that you are wrong.
Post by old man joe
furthermore, the Ark is much more than just a big boat. there is a spiritual meaning to it... the
Ark is a type or metaphorical picture of Jesus Christ. while the world and all whom God destroyed
with the Flood were not chosen by God to enter the Ark, 8 souls were, which is what the End of the
world will be like... those in Christ shall be saved from the destruction to come while those
outside will perish. ( Rev. 22;15 )
Then why do you insist on the false claim that there was a literal
flood?
Post by old man joe
lastly, the Rainbow we see in the sky to this day is the sign of the Covenant God made after the
Flood that He would not again destroy the earth with water... that is, the Gospel, but next time
with fire, a synonym for Judgment.
Rainbows have always happened under the same circumstances. You are
worshipping a just-so story. You are worshipping ignorance.
Post by old man joe
God's destruction of sinner's by the Flood and the saving of Noah and his family and 2 and 7 of
animals in the Ark may sound ridiculous to the unrepentant sinner of today and that's one reason why
God included the telling of it in the Holy Scriptures... the telling of it separates the wheat from
the tares... " For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which
are saved it is the power of God. " 1 Cor. 1:18
It's not a matter of ridiculous. It's a matter that you are repeating a
falsehood after you have been presented the evidence. You are lying to
us. No one, not even someone who calls themselves a believer can be
justified in lying about the historicity of the Flood. It did not
happen. There is no question that it did not happen. Those who claim it
did happen are lying and misleading others.
Reverend Dave
2010-04-11 17:14:59 UTC
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Post by old man joe
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary, you simply assume there was no room.
Supposedly it was 450 feet long, which is roughly half as long as the QM,
45 feet high, roughly a quarter the height of the QM and 75 feet wide or
two thirds the width of the QM.

The Queen Mary had a crew of over 1000 compared to eight people who would
have had to spent their entire day cleaning out stalls and feeding the
thousands of species of animals. Some of these animals, like koalas and
pandas for instance would require special food available only in their
native environment. Others, like the big cats would require meat, and
lots of it.

Besides, the Noah story is just a retelling of the flood story from the
Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh.
Post by old man joe
Most
Theologians solve this by saying that not every species was brought
aboard, just every "kind".
how is it that you speak for " most theologians " ? that's the same
as saying you've read every theologians work there ever was who
commented on this subject, added up those for and against, and you've
found 51 percent of them saying the mystery is solved.
and since when do most theologians speak for God ? that's the same as
saying 51 percent of people biased toward Adolf Hitler conclude he was
doing the right thing so therefore Adolf Hitler was a good man.
Yet in the past you've made all inclusive statements about atheists that
follow the same line of thinking. Talk about the pot calling the kettle
black!
Post by old man joe
This means that only the basic "kinds" of animals, dogs, cats,
elephants, and so on, were brought aboard.
So, assuming evolution does not occur, there should only be one
species of cat, dog, elephant, and so on on the earth because all of
them are decended from the original 2 (or 7, in the case of the clean
animals)of each "kind".
it can not be " assumed " evolution did not occur... evolution
positively did not occur because life doesn't come from elements that
are not alive.
Prove it.
Post by old man joe
you don't get life out of absolute sterility from a
molten cinder the evolutionists describe the earth as being.
Evolutionists never described the earth as being a molten cinder. No
scientist from any discipline has described it that way.
Post by old man joe
neither
is time alive. you don't get non-living things to come to life over
time. that's the same as saying just wait long enough and every dead
body in the grave will come back to life if given enough time, and the
dirt under my feet will come to life if given enough time.
evolution is implausible and untenable.
Wrong. You clearly don't understand what evolution is all about.
Evolution is plausible because there is an ever mounting body of evidence
to support it.

And the evidence for the existence of your god? Outside of a bunch of
mythologies - none. No more than for any other mythological diety.
Post by old man joe
But if you simply look around a bit, you'll find all manner of cats,
big cats, small cats, cats with short hair, long hair, varying fur
patterns, varying ear sizes, varying ear shapes... How is it that we
ended up with (at least) 41 different species of cat when we only had
one to start with? I know one theory that has an answer!
well just look around a bit and there is one manner of human beings...
but some are oriental, some are negro, some are caucasian; some have
reddish skin, some have blackish skin, some have whitish skin, some
have yellowish skin.
yet, all came from Adam through Noah as it is to this day.
So which one of Noah's sons was black? Oriental? Indian? White? Red?

*Bible babble removed*
--
Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe,
but in proportion to their readiness to doubt - Ambrose Bierce
Father Haskell
2010-04-11 23:26:07 UTC
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When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
The alleged "ark" was made from sticks and mud.
Christopher A. Lee
2010-04-12 00:14:24 UTC
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
The alleged "ark" was made from sticks and mud.
Wooden vessels need their seams caulked to keep them tight when they
flex. But the larger the boat the greater the flexing. Beyond a
certain size the caulking can't cope. Which happened on the largest
sailing ships which were a heck of a lot smaller than the Queen Mary.

The Ark would have leaked like a sieve.

But when you're telling fairy stories little things like that don't
matter
Free Lunch
2010-04-12 00:34:57 UTC
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:14:24 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
The alleged "ark" was made from sticks and mud.
Wooden vessels need their seams caulked to keep them tight when they
flex. But the larger the boat the greater the flexing. Beyond a
certain size the caulking can't cope. Which happened on the largest
sailing ships which were a heck of a lot smaller than the Queen Mary.
The Ark would have leaked like a sieve.
But when you're telling fairy stories little things like that don't
matter
Especially to folks who never saw a seagoing vessel.
Father Haskell
2010-04-12 00:54:44 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
The alleged "ark" was made from sticks and mud.
Wooden vessels need their seams caulked to keep them tight when they
flex. But the larger the boat the greater the flexing. Beyond a
certain size the caulking can't cope. Which happened on the largest
sailing ships which were a heck of a lot smaller than the Queen Mary.
Then you have to ask where all the cordage to make the
caulking came from. How many yards of caulking can you
get from one hemp plant? How many yards would you need
total, and how many acres of hemp would that take?
Post by Christopher A. Lee
The Ark would have leaked like a sieve.
But when you're telling fairy stories little things like that don't
matter
Plus, the inevitable scene of carnage as the ark sank,
as frightened beast futilely clawed at frightened beast,
would just bring everyone down.
Christopher A. Lee
2010-04-12 01:01:24 UTC
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:54:44 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
The alleged "ark" was made from sticks and mud.
Wooden vessels need their seams caulked to keep them tight when they
flex. But the larger the boat the greater the flexing. Beyond a
certain size the caulking can't cope. Which happened on the largest
sailing ships which were a heck of a lot smaller than the Queen Mary.
Then you have to ask where all the cordage to make the
caulking came from. How many yards of caulking can you
get from one hemp plant? How many yards would you need
total, and how many acres of hemp would that take?
Post by Christopher A. Lee
The Ark would have leaked like a sieve.
But when you're telling fairy stories little things like that don't
matter
Plus, the inevitable scene of carnage as the ark sank,
as frightened beast futilely clawed at frightened beast,
would just bring everyone down.
I just wish these loonies would think before making such stupid
"answers".
Ken
2010-04-12 01:49:11 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
I just wish these loonies would think before making such stupid
"answers".
Loonies.....
Thinking?

"I don't think so, Tim"
Father Haskell
2010-04-12 04:36:46 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:54:44 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
The alleged "ark" was made from sticks and mud.
Wooden vessels need their seams caulked to keep them tight when they
flex. But the larger the boat the greater the flexing. Beyond a
certain size the caulking can't cope. Which happened on the largest
sailing ships which were a heck of a lot smaller than the Queen Mary.
Then you have to ask where all the cordage to make the
caulking came from.  How many yards of caulking can you
get from one hemp plant?  How many yards would you need
total, and how many acres of hemp would that take?
Post by Christopher A. Lee
The Ark would have leaked like a sieve.
But when you're telling fairy stories little things like that don't
matter
Plus, the inevitable scene of carnage as the ark sank,
as frightened beast futilely clawed at frightened beast,
would just bring everyone down.
I just wish these loonies would think before making such stupid
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Do they ever close their eyes and imagine the hellish
scenario come to life? Can they see, in the backs of
their minds, the sea red, the waves crested with foam
and shreds of skin, hair, and feathers? The air filled
with seagulls, squabbling over their grisly buffet? If
not, I'm here to help them.
Syd M.
2010-04-12 07:05:48 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:54:44 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
The alleged "ark" was made from sticks and mud.
Wooden vessels need their seams caulked to keep them tight when they
flex. But the larger the boat the greater the flexing. Beyond a
certain size the caulking can't cope. Which happened on the largest
sailing ships which were a heck of a lot smaller than the Queen Mary.
Then you have to ask where all the cordage to make the
caulking came from.  How many yards of caulking can you
get from one hemp plant?  How many yards would you need
total, and how many acres of hemp would that take?
Post by Christopher A. Lee
The Ark would have leaked like a sieve.
But when you're telling fairy stories little things like that don't
matter
Plus, the inevitable scene of carnage as the ark sank,
as frightened beast futilely clawed at frightened beast,
would just bring everyone down.
I just wish these loonies would think before making such stupid
"answers".
Asking them to 'think' is prolly asking way too much...

PDW
John Baker
2010-04-14 06:23:56 UTC
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:01:24 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:54:44 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
The alleged "ark" was made from sticks and mud.
Wooden vessels need their seams caulked to keep them tight when they
flex. But the larger the boat the greater the flexing. Beyond a
certain size the caulking can't cope. Which happened on the largest
sailing ships which were a heck of a lot smaller than the Queen Mary.
Then you have to ask where all the cordage to make the
caulking came from. How many yards of caulking can you
get from one hemp plant? How many yards would you need
total, and how many acres of hemp would that take?
Post by Christopher A. Lee
The Ark would have leaked like a sieve.
But when you're telling fairy stories little things like that don't
matter
Plus, the inevitable scene of carnage as the ark sank,
as frightened beast futilely clawed at frightened beast,
would just bring everyone down.
I just wish these loonies would think before making such stupid
"answers".
If they were capable of thinking, they wouldn't believe that crap in
the first place.
Clayton Has Too Much Body Hair
2010-04-12 22:00:10 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
Post by old man joe
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary, you simply assume there was no room.
The alleged "ark" was made from sticks and mud.
Wooden vessels need their seams caulked to keep them tight when they
flex. But the larger the boat the greater the flexing. Beyond a
certain size the caulking can't cope. Which happened on the largest
sailing ships which were a heck of a lot smaller than the Queen Mary.
The Ark would have leaked like a sieve.
You forget....Gawd made it seaworthy and perfect in every
way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But when you're telling fairy stories little things like that don't
matter
Father Haskell
2010-04-12 23:59:27 UTC
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On Apr 12, 6:00 pm, "Clayton Has Too Much Body Hair"
Post by Clayton Has Too Much Body Hair
Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
Post by Father Haskell
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
The alleged "ark" was made from sticks and mud.
Wooden vessels need their seams caulked to keep them tight when they
flex. But the larger the boat the greater the flexing. Beyond a
certain size the caulking can't cope. Which happened on the largest
sailing ships which were a heck of a lot smaller than the Queen Mary.
The Ark would have leaked like a sieve.
You forget....Gawd made it seaworthy and perfect in every
way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But when you're telling fairy stories little things like that don't
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Is this the same gawd who fucked up everything so badly
that he had to destroy it and fuck it up all over again?
Lisbeth Andersson
2010-04-14 01:01:24 UTC
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Post by Clayton Has Too Much Body Hair
Post by Christopher A. Lee
The Ark would have leaked like a sieve.
You forget....Gawd made it seaworthy and perfect in every
way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A perfect sieve! The only logical conclusion to this is that god is
the FSM. Pour off the water from the spaghetti and bring the
meatballs.


Lisbeth.

--
The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.

*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
Father Haskell
2010-04-14 22:48:30 UTC
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Post by Lisbeth Andersson
Post by Clayton Has Too Much Body Hair
Post by Christopher A. Lee
The Ark would have leaked like a sieve.
You forget....Gawd made it seaworthy and perfect in every
way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A perfect sieve! The only logical conclusion to this is that god is
the FSM. Pour off the water from the spaghetti and bring the
meatballs.
If the FSM was pulling the strings, then Noah had
to have been a pirate.
St. Jackanapes
2010-04-19 05:35:02 UTC
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Post by Father Haskell
When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
The alleged "ark" was made from sticks and mud.
It would have sank before it could ever get afloat. The technology wasn't there to
build anything larger than one of todays mid-sized fishing boats.
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Yap
2010-04-12 01:59:06 UTC
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When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
Most
Theologians solve this by saying that not every species was brought
aboard, just every "kind".
how is it that you speak for " most theologians " ?  that's the same as saying you've read every
theologians work there ever was who commented on this subject, added up those for and against, and
you've found 51 percent of them saying the mystery is solved.  
and since when do most theologians speak for God ?  that's the same as saying 51 percent of people
biased toward Adolf Hitler conclude he was doing the right thing so therefore Adolf Hitler was a
good man.
This means that only the basic "kinds" of animals, dogs, cats,
elephants, and so on, were brought aboard.
So, assuming evolution does not occur, there should only be one
species of cat, dog, elephant, and so on on the earth because all of
them are decended from the original 2 (or 7, in the case of the clean
animals)of each "kind".
it can not be " assumed " evolution did not occur... evolution positively did not occur because life
doesn't come from elements that are not alive.  you don't get life out of absolute sterility from a
molten cinder the evolutionists describe the earth as being.  neither is time alive.  you don't get
non-living things to come to life over time.  that's the same as saying just wait long enough and
every dead body in the grave will come back to life if given enough time, and the dirt under my feet
will come to life if given enough time.
evolution is implausible and untenable.
But if you simply look around a bit, you'll find all manner of cats,
big cats, small cats, cats with short hair, long hair, varying fur
patterns, varying ear sizes, varying ear shapes... How is it that we
ended up with (at least) 41 different species of cat when we only had
one to start with? I know one theory that has an answer!
well just look around a bit and there is one manner of human beings... but some are oriental, some
are negro, some are caucasian;  some have reddish skin, some have blackish skin, some have whitish
skin, some have yellowish skin.
yet, all came from Adam through Noah as it is to this day.
furthermore, the Ark is much more than just a big boat.  there is a spiritual meaning to it... the
Ark is a type or metaphorical picture of Jesus Christ.  while the world and all whom God destroyed
with the Flood were not chosen by God to enter the Ark, 8 souls were, which is what the End of the
world will be like... those in Christ shall be saved from the destruction to come while those
outside will perish.  ( Rev. 22;15 )
lastly, the Rainbow we see in the sky to this day is the sign of the Covenant God made after the
Flood that He would not again destroy the earth with water... that is, the Gospel, but next time
with fire, a synonym for Judgment.
God's destruction of sinner's by the Flood and the saving of Noah and his family and 2 and 7 of
animals in the Ark may sound ridiculous to the unrepentant sinner of today and that's one reason why
God included the telling of it in the Holy Scriptures... the telling of it separates the wheat from
the tares... "  For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which
are saved it is the power of God. "  1 Cor. 1:18
Just one thing, old fool:
"Why your pathetic god had no capability to rid or prevent the flood?"
Mike
2010-04-12 05:10:28 UTC
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When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary,  you simply assume there was no room.
You tell 'em Joe!! To hell with those godless heathen who don't
believe the Noah story. I do have a couple of questions though.
Perhaps a God-fearing Christian such as yourself might help me to
understand certain perplexities I have.

1) How did Noah et al handle the waste disposal problem? Do you
suppose the animals performed acts of Immaculate Excretion?

2) After disembarking from the ark in the vicinity of Mount Ararat,
why did all the marsupials immediately sprint for Australia, all the
sloths, armadillos, and monkeys with prehensile tails to Central and
South America, etc. For that matter, how did they get there? (Sloths
walk VERY slowly and cannot swim.)

3) What did the carnivores do for their first meal? Surely they
would have starved before a pair of herbivores could reproduce. Do
you suppose God opened up some cans of pet food and rained puppy manna
from heaven to feed the meat eaters?

I have some other questions, but we can start with these. So far the
Lord, in his Wisdom, has not seen fit to grace me with the gift of
understanding.

Yours in Christ!
Mike 2
2010-04-14 00:01:32 UTC
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Post by Mike
I have some other questions, but we can start with these. So far the
Lord, in his Wisdom, has not seen fit to grace me with the gift of
understanding.
Yours in Christ!
I often wondered myself about the animals brought upon the Ark. But then
again Jesus varified the Noah story. I guess that's good enough for me. Who
knows for for sure? God was behind the whole plan, perhaps they were all
brought to the Ark as babies and their adulthood was stretched to grow
slowly. I don't think anyone can really answer many questions, until it's
revealed, just believe. Some things in the Bible were and still are held
secret until the holyspirit shall reveal them, God spoke this in Danial.
I'm still wondering how the Jews didn't understand Isaiah 53:2 It said he
was coming as a baby and they were looking for a full grown King, a leader.
The whole chapter is a perfect discription from beginning to end.
All I know is that Jesus said it happened and I believe him!

Mike2
John Baker
2010-04-14 06:33:52 UTC
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Post by Mike 2
Post by Mike
I have some other questions, but we can start with these. So far the
Lord, in his Wisdom, has not seen fit to grace me with the gift of
understanding.
Yours in Christ!
I often wondered myself about the animals brought upon the Ark. But then
again Jesus varified the Noah story. I guess that's good enough for me. Who
knows for for sure? God was behind the whole plan, perhaps they were all
brought to the Ark as babies and their adulthood was stretched to grow
slowly. I don't think anyone can really answer many questions, until it's
revealed, just believe. Some things in the Bible were and still are held
secret until the holyspirit shall reveal them, God spoke this in Danial.
I'm still wondering how the Jews didn't understand Isaiah 53:2 It said he
was coming as a baby and they were looking for a full grown King, a leader.
The whole chapter is a perfect discription from beginning to end.
All I know is that Jesus said it happened and I believe him!
Mike2
Sarcasm detector on the blink, is it?
Wombat
2010-04-14 07:42:20 UTC
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Post by Mike 2
I have some other questions, but we can start with these.  So far the
Lord, in his Wisdom, has not seen fit to grace me with the gift of
understanding.
Yours in Christ!
I often wondered myself about the animals brought upon the Ark. But then
again Jesus varified the Noah story. I guess that's good enough for me. Who
knows for for sure? God was behind the whole plan, perhaps they were all
brought to the Ark as babies and their adulthood was stretched to grow
slowly. I don't think anyone can really answer many questions, until it's
revealed, just believe. Some things in the Bible were and still are held
secret until the holyspirit shall reveal them, God spoke this in Danial.
I'm still wondering how the Jews didn't understand Isaiah 53:2 It said he
was coming as a baby and they were looking for a full grown King, a leader.
The whole chapter is a perfect discription from beginning to end.
 All I know is that Jesus said it happened and I believe him!
Mike2
Remember Genesis. Noah was told to bring the male and his mate.
Sounds like sexually mature animals to me.
Either you believe Genesis is actual history or you can regard it as a
series of morality tales to keep the ancient Hebrews in line.
Jesus would have merely been repeating a story known to his audience.
Meanwhile, there is no evidence in God's primary creation for Ye
Floode.
No Floode = no Arke.

Wombat
Pope Rudraigh
2010-04-16 22:01:45 UTC
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Post by Mike 2
All I know is that Jesus said it happened and I believe him!
Mike2
Well, yer 'bout a dumb ass, ain't ya?!?

Pope Rudraigh
"Holy Trinity my triple-cheeked ass!"
Father Haskell
2010-04-17 01:57:20 UTC
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Post by Mike 2
I have some other questions, but we can start with these.  So far the
Lord, in his Wisdom, has not seen fit to grace me with the gift of
understanding.
Yours in Christ!
I often wondered myself about the animals brought upon the Ark. But then
again Jesus varified the Noah story. I guess that's good enough for me. Who
knows for for sure? God was behind the whole plan, perhaps they were all
brought to the Ark as babies and their adulthood was stretched to grow
slowly. I don't think anyone can really answer many questions, until it's
revealed, just believe. Some things in the Bible were and still are held
secret until the holyspirit shall reveal them, God spoke this in Danial.
I'm still wondering how the Jews didn't understand Isaiah 53:2 It said he
was coming as a baby and they were looking for a full grown King, a leader.
The whole chapter is a perfect discription from beginning to end.
 All I know is that Jesus said it happened and I believe him!
Mike2
Your parents were criminal child abusers to have let you
grown up into this.
old man joe
2010-04-19 09:05:56 UTC
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When bringing all the animals aboard the ark, there could not have
been room for every single species on the entire earth.
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary, you simply assume there was no room.
Most
Theologians solve this by saying that not every species was brought
aboard, just every "kind".
how is it that you speak for " most theologians " ? that's the same as saying you've read every
theologians work there ever was who commented on this subject, added up those for and against, and
you've found 51 percent of them saying the mystery is solved.

and since when do most theologians speak for God ? that's the same as saying 51 percent of people
biased toward Adolf Hitler conclude he was doing the right thing so therefore Adolf Hitler was a
good man.
This means that only the basic "kinds" of animals, dogs, cats,
elephants, and so on, were brought aboard.
So, assuming evolution does not occur, there should only be one
species of cat, dog, elephant, and so on on the earth because all of
them are decended from the original 2 (or 7, in the case of the clean
animals)of each "kind".
it can not be " assumed " evolution did not occur... evolution positively did not occur because life
doesn't come from elements that are not alive. you don't get life out of absolute sterility from a
molten cinder the evolutionists describe the earth as being. neither is time alive. you don't get
non-living things to come to life over time. that's the same as saying just wait long enough and
every dead body in the grave will come back to life if given enough time, and the dirt under my feet
will come to life if given enough time.

evolution is implausible and untenable.
But if you simply look around a bit, you'll find all manner of cats,
big cats, small cats, cats with short hair, long hair, varying fur
patterns, varying ear sizes, varying ear shapes... How is it that we
ended up with (at least) 41 different species of cat when we only had
one to start with? I know one theory that has an answer!
well just look around a bit and there is one manner of human beings... but some are oriental, some
are negro, some are caucasian; some have reddish skin, some have blackish skin, some have whitish
skin, some have yellowish skin.

yet, all came from Adam through Noah as it is to this day.

furthermore, the Ark is much more than just a big boat. there is a spiritual meaning to it... the
Ark is a type or metaphorical picture of Jesus Christ. while the world and all whom God destroyed
with the Flood were not chosen by God to enter the Ark, 8 souls were, which is what the End of the
world will be like... those in Christ shall be saved from the destruction to come while those
outside will perish. ( Rev. 22;15 )

lastly, the Rainbow we see in the sky to this day is the sign of the Covenant God made after the
Flood that He would not again destroy the earth with water... that is, the Gospel, but next time
with fire, a synonym for Judgment.

God's destruction of sinner's by the Flood and the saving of Noah and his family and 2 and 7 of
animals in the Ark may sound ridiculous to the unrepentant sinner of today and that's one reason why
God included the telling of it in the Holy Scriptures... the telling of it separates the wheat from
the tares... " For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which
are saved it is the power of God. " 1 Cor. 1:18
Ken
2010-04-19 14:12:55 UTC
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And a Senile Old Troll is he
Larry
2010-04-19 17:21:44 UTC
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Post by old man joe
the Ark was as large as the Queen Mary, you simply assume there was no room.
There is no historical record or archeological find of any such vessel.
The only place it's mentioned is in the fictional religious novels hundreds
of years of myth telling after the story!

You have no credible evidence it ever existed....just the usual religious
myths.
--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry
Father Haskell
2010-04-19 21:34:39 UTC
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Post by old man joe
it can not be " assumed " evolution did not occur... evolution positively did not occur because life
doesn't come from elements that are not alive.  
You've never heard of photosynthesis?
Post by old man joe
But if you simply look around a bit, you'll find all manner of cats,
big cats, small cats, cats with short hair, long hair, varying fur
patterns, varying ear sizes, varying ear shapes... How is it that we
ended up with (at least) 41 different species of cat when we only had
one to start with? I know one theory that has an answer!
well just look around a bit and there is one manner of human beings... but some are oriental, some
are negro, some are caucasian;  some have reddish skin, some have blackish skin, some have whitish
skin, some have yellowish skin.
yet, all came from Adam through Noah as it is to this day.
The human race is inbred if that's true. Bible creation is
disgusting. Particularly disgusting is the myth of how the black
race came to be through your Noah, which justified slavery
in the American south.
old man joe
2010-04-20 09:34:16 UTC
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Post by Father Haskell
Post by old man joe
it can not be " assumed " evolution did not occur... evolution positively did not occur because life
doesn't come from elements that are not alive.  
You've never heard of photosynthesis?
Post by old man joe
But if you simply look around a bit, you'll find all manner of cats,
big cats, small cats, cats with short hair, long hair, varying fur
patterns, varying ear sizes, varying ear shapes... How is it that we
ended up with (at least) 41 different species of cat when we only had
one to start with? I know one theory that has an answer!
well just look around a bit and there is one manner of human beings... but some are oriental, some
are negro, some are caucasian;  some have reddish skin, some have blackish skin, some have whitish
skin, some have yellowish skin.
yet, all came from Adam through Noah as it is to this day.
The human race is inbred if that's true. Bible creation is
disgusting. Particularly disgusting is the myth of how the black
race came to be through your Noah, which justified slavery
in the American south.
evolution starts on the second floor. evolution does not address how living things, which are made
up entirely of elements that are not alive, came to life all by themselves. such is to suppose that
a dead human should not be dead because the elements in the dead person is just as dead in the
living person. life comes from the Living God... not elements that are not alive; time is not
alive ( which is part of the magic formula the evolutionists claim brought
dead elements to life )...

and their idea of ' early earth ' is laughable as well. here we have dead elements of the Periodic
Table coming to life all by themselves out of absolute sterility... the molten, burning ' early
earth. '

that's the same as saying one can take a molten, burning sample out of a lava flow and it'll come to
be a human if given enough time to give itself life.

" And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath
of life; and man became a living soul. " Gen. 2:7

the real problem people have with the Flood and the Ark is that the Ark is a type of Christ and the
Flood is God's real wrath poured out on sinners. modern man is inventing all sorts of philosophical
concoctions to disprove God punishes sinners with death simply because man is not in Christ... not
summoned by God to safety in the Ark, a type of Christ.

incest was not a sin nor were those born out of incest deformed mentally nor physically until God
gave the Law against it through Moses. the human race can not be said to be inbreed as far as
modern man defines inbreed. as the Bible indicates, Adam had sons and daughters and they interbred
but so doing did not result in deformed offspring... deformed offspring through incest occurred
after God published a Law against incest through Moses.

if " Bible creation " is " disgusting " then saying so calls God disgusting since the Bible was
dictated by God to His prophets to write down and publish His Word. Jer. 36.
such talk defines one as being " outside " of the Ark, outside of Christ ( Eph. 2:12 ) when the
Flood was poured out on the earth to kill off the heathens. Rev. 22:15

those passed by for salvation from the wrath to come on Judgment Day do find the Word of God
" foolishness. " ... " For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto
us which are saved it is the power of God. " 1 Cor. 1:18
Father Haskell
2010-04-21 01:49:40 UTC
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Post by old man joe
it can not be " assumed " evolution did not occur... evolution positively did not occur because life
doesn't come from elements that are not alive.  
You've never heard of photosynthesis?
Post by old man joe
But if you simply look around a bit, you'll find all manner of cats,
big cats, small cats, cats with short hair, long hair, varying fur
patterns, varying ear sizes, varying ear shapes... How is it that we
ended up with (at least) 41 different species of cat when we only had
one to start with? I know one theory that has an answer!
well just look around a bit and there is one manner of human beings... but some are oriental, some
are negro, some are caucasian;  some have reddish skin, some have blackish skin, some have whitish
skin, some have yellowish skin.
yet, all came from Adam through Noah as it is to this day.
The human race is inbred if that's true.  Bible creation is
disgusting.  Particularly disgusting is the myth of how the black
race came to be through your Noah, which justified slavery
in the American south.
evolution starts on the second floor.  evolution does not address how living things, which are made
up entirely of elements that are not alive, came to life all by themselves.  such is to suppose that
a dead human should not be dead because the elements in the dead person is just as dead in the
living person.  life comes from the Living God... not elements that are not alive;  time is not
alive ( which is part of the magic formula the evolutionists claim brought
dead elements to life )...
Straw man.
incest was not a sin nor were those born out of incest deformed mentally nor physically until God
gave the Law against it through Moses.  
So if not for Moses, you'd be fucking your sister today?

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