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Age of the Earth...does it REALLY matter ? >> Never matters to Atheists, always matters to Creationists...
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old man joe
2011-07-13 11:05:41 UTC
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Does it really matter?
Here at Creation Moments, we stand firm in the belief that God created
the heavens and the earth in six 24-hour days. We also believe that
creation week took place less than 10,000 years ago … and that this
subject is very important!
Not surprisingly, atheistic evolutionists mock our view. Sad to say,
many creationists do the same. They take an old-earth position, basing
their views primarily on science rather than the Word of God.
Discussions between young-earth and old-earth creationists can get
pretty heated. But when all is said and done, young-earth creationism
is the only position that honors God by being consistent with biblical
truth.
This Week's Creation Action Moment
You don't need to be a scientist or theologian to understand this
vital issue. This week we've put together a handy list of articles
that support the young-earth position on origins. All of the following
articles – plus many more on the subject – can be found in the
Articles Library at the Creation Moments website. We hope you'll find
these articles informative and useful as you stand firm on the truth
of God's inerrant Word!
A Young Creation – Scripture's Clear Message by Paul Bartz
The Age of the Earth by Ian Taylor
How Can the Earth Be Relatively Young When Scientists Tell Us that
Rocks Are Billions of Years Old? by Ian Taylor
Billions of Years for the Earth! by Ian Taylor
Genesis Stands! by Richard Niessen
Light from the Bible on Evolution's Calendar by Robin D. Fish
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Creation Moments, Inc
its always interesting to read feedback to such subject matter. the Atheists never, repeat, never,
can prove their point of a universe in the billions of years of age. the best they can do is attack
the poster. this makes them sound right to themselves when they are nothing more than scoffers
worshiping at the shrine of speculation... their science can't tell them where life comes from and
they studiously avoid addressing that subject with an intelligent answer.

however, anyone can calculate the age of the earth from the Bible if they are willing to put the
time in.

for example, from Gen.5 we learn that the age of the earth from Adam to the Flood is 6023 years.
and its some 2000 years since the death of Christ. that's already 8 thousand years. it remains to
be studied the amount of years which past from the Flood to the death of Christ... some 5000 years.
already we find from the Bible the earth to be 13000 years old and the beginning of the universe 6
days older than this.

God did not create at night so its erroneous to say He created in six, 24 hour days... God Himself
defines a " day " as being 12 hours, Jn.11:9. in six days of 12 hours of daylight did God create
the all things... no creating activity by Almighty God during the 12 hours of night, Gen.1.

to buy into the Atheists philosophy of a very, very old earth counted in the billions of years we
must first suspend rational thinking and take up name calling to prove our point. we must suppose
that the elements of the earth from which all things consist... living things as well... gave itself
life and out of absolute sterility at that. they've painted themselves into a corner when they
claim " early earth " was a smoldering ball of boiling material and poison gas out of which life
came to be from elements of the Periodic Table.

huh. nothing of, and no combination of the elements of the Periodic Table are alive. that brings
their " scientists " to claim " life came from outer space... always an intangible, un-scientific
answer. the Big Bang idea came from an Atheist Catholic monsignor. everybody knows the Word of God
teaches that idol worshipers as the Catholics are show themselves to be not redeemed... they're
merely religious Atheists who really worship created being's, their grave robbed bones and their
relics... their god is Mary.

no elements are alive but leave them alone long enough and they'll come to life all by themselves
according to ' science.' that's the same as saying ' time ' is the missing ingredient which makes
non-living elements come alive. if that we true, everyone in the grave will eventually come back to
life if given enough ' time. ' after all... all of the elements comprising the human body are
already there in the coffin.

to lie about the age of the earth is to lie about God who spoke it into existence.
Sir Frederick Martin
2011-07-13 11:45:38 UTC
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Does it really matter?
'Humans', as all 'information structures', need
their stories. That "matters".

Whatever stories are practiced enough become
'incorporated' as 'virtual reality',and considered as 'reality'.
That "matters".
Davej
2011-07-13 14:51:09 UTC
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[...]
its always interesting to read feedback to such subject matter.  the
Atheists never, repeat, never, can prove their point of a universe in
the billions of years of age.
Yes, we know you were home-schooled, but you know everything because
you memorized the Koran or Bible or some other stupid God-book.
Christopher A. Lee
2011-07-13 15:36:57 UTC
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Post by Davej
[...]
its always interesting to read feedback to such subject matter.  the
Atheists never, repeat, never, can prove their point of a universe in
the billions of years of age.
What's wrong with the moron that the attacks atheists over scientific
fact accepted by everybody except fundamentalists including educated
and mainstream Christians?
Post by Davej
Yes, we know you were home-schooled, but you know everything because
you memorized the Koran or Bible or some other stupid God-book.
He's a fucking moron, a liar, an idiot, obsessed with hatred for
atheists and mentally ill.

The real question is why are there so many like him?
Yap
2011-07-14 04:13:31 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Davej
[...]
its always interesting to read feedback to such subject matter.  the
Atheists never, repeat, never, can prove their point of a universe in
the billions of years of age.
What's wrong with the moron that the attacks atheists over scientific
fact accepted by everybody except fundamentalists including educated
and mainstream Christians?
Post by Davej
Yes, we know you were home-schooled, but you know everything because
you memorized the Koran or Bible or some other stupid God-book.
He's a fucking moron, a liar, an idiot, obsessed with hatred for
atheists and mentally ill.
The real question is why are there so many like him?
The reason why so many are like him is because Whites inherited the
religious bullshit from Middle-East and
could not help themselves thereafter.

They are weak human, with no guts to fight the dark or have damaged
brains.
Christopher A. Lee
2011-07-14 04:25:30 UTC
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Post by Yap
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Davej
[...]
its always interesting to read feedback to such subject matter.  the
Atheists never, repeat, never, can prove their point of a universe in
the billions of years of age.
What's wrong with the moron that the attacks atheists over scientific
fact accepted by everybody except fundamentalists including educated
and mainstream Christians?
Post by Davej
Yes, we know you were home-schooled, but you know everything because
you memorized the Koran or Bible or some other stupid God-book.
He's a fucking moron, a liar, an idiot, obsessed with hatred for
atheists and mentally ill.
The real question is why are there so many like him?
The reason why so many are like him is because Whites inherited the
religious bullshit from Middle-East and
could not help themselves thereafter.
They claim it is a religion of love ant peace, but it was spread at
sword point (convert or die) thriugh Western Europe by Charlemagne.

Muslims make the claim for Islam but that was spread the same way.
Post by Yap
They are weak human, with no guts to fight the dark or have damaged
brains.
old man joe
2011-07-14 10:46:45 UTC
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Post by Davej
[...]
its always interesting to read feedback to such subject matter.  the
Atheists never, repeat, never, can prove their point of a universe in
the billions of years of age.
Yes, we know you were home-schooled, but you know everything because
you memorized the Koran or Bible or some other stupid God-book.
here we have the usual reply the Atheists use in order to prove their un-provable position, just as
was foretold in many of my previous posts.

while they quickly charge ignorance against Creationist's they fail to show Creationist's, or even
themselves for that matter, how non-living elements come to life all by themselves. if they could
do that, then they'd have a case for Evolution and the Big bang idea... but they can't.

who then are the ignorant ones ?

we notice that the Atheists must snip away what they can't address in my posts, thus doubling their
hypocrisy. the rational is just too high for them to attain so it's better for them to just ignore
it... then maybe the facts will go away . but they don't.

life, is not of this world. life comes from the Living God. they all know it because God made it
evident to them as we read in Holy Scripture in Ro.1:18 and following. it's not Creationist's who
they are trying so desperately to duck, it's the Living God who gives life to non-living elements.
remove the life and the non-living elements are just as non-living as before.

so let's see their dynamic cumulative intelligence answer, without them resorting to insults to
prove Evolution and the Big Bang, exactly how life came to be from elements that are not alive.
it can't be done, and they know it and show it.
Free Lunch
2011-07-14 14:29:34 UTC
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Post by old man joe
Post by Davej
[...]
its always interesting to read feedback to such subject matter.  the
Atheists never, repeat, never, can prove their point of a universe in
the billions of years of age.
Yes, we know you were home-schooled, but you know everything because
you memorized the Koran or Bible or some other stupid God-book.
here we have the usual reply the Atheists use in order to prove their un-provable position, just as
was foretold in many of my previous posts.
The atheist position is "I do not believe in any gods." What do you
think needs proving?
Post by old man joe
while they quickly charge ignorance against Creationist's they fail to show Creationist's, or even
themselves for that matter, how non-living elements come to life all by themselves. if they could
do that, then they'd have a case for Evolution and the Big bang idea... but they can't.
Creationism is a false doctrine of a minority of theists. It is
completely indefensible, which is why most theists belong to
denominations that reject creationism. Don't misrepresent your doctrine,
those who reject it do not reject it because they are atheist. They
reject it because it has been shown to be false. The only way to teach
anti-evolution creationism is to lie to others, something you seem quite
comfortable doing.
Post by old man joe
who then are the ignorant ones ?
Creationists are the ones who preach falsehoods.
Post by old man joe
we notice that the Atheists must snip away what they can't address in my posts, thus doubling their
hypocrisy. the rational is just too high for them to attain so it's better for them to just ignore
it... then maybe the facts will go away . but they don't.
That made no sense at all.
Post by old man joe
life, is not of this world. life comes from the Living God.
So you preach, but cannot support with any evidence.
Post by old man joe
they all know it because God made it
evident to them as we read in Holy Scripture in Ro.1:18 and following.
You have chosen to interpret the Bible in a way to make it conflict with
physical evidence. I see no reason to accept your doctrines when you do
that. I have no reason to accept the unsubstantiated claim that God has
anything to do with the Bible or any other scriptures.
Post by old man joe
it's not Creationist's who
they are trying so desperately to duck, it's the Living God who gives life to non-living elements.
Again, you make claims you cannot back up, and whine when we refuse to
accept your unsupported assertion. When you are able to provide evidence
for the god you claim to worship and you provide evidence that your god
did any of the things you claim, then and only then you will have a
valid reason to demand that we listen to you. Until then you are merely
using a god as your sock puppet to repeat your unsupportable claims.
Post by old man joe
remove the life and the non-living elements are just as non-living as before.
Life is a process, not a magic potion. Please learn some science.
Post by old man joe
so let's see their dynamic cumulative intelligence answer, without them resorting to insults to
prove Evolution and the Big Bang, exactly how life came to be from elements that are not alive.
You keep reminding us that you are perfectly ignorant about how science
works and, it appears, you intend to stay ignorant. I have no idea how I
can teach you about either the origins of the universe or about
evolution if you refuse to learn anything about science at all.
Apparently the god you worship hates it when people learn. Are you sure
he won't punish you for using tools developed from scientific
discoveries?
Post by old man joe
it can't be done, and they know it and show it.
You have repeatedly made it clear that you are not competent to judge
that and that you will never allow yourself to know enough to be in that
position. Like most of the anti-science folks who post here, you act as
if you worship your own ignorance above everything else.
Dakota
2011-07-14 15:39:26 UTC
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Post by old man joe
Post by Davej
Post by old man joe
[...]
its always interesting to read feedback to such subject matter. the
Atheists never, repeat, never, can prove their point of a universe in
the billions of years of age.
Yes, we know you were home-schooled, but you know everything because
you memorized the Koran or Bible or some other stupid God-book.
here we have the usual reply the Atheists use in order to prove their un-provable position, just as
was foretold in many of my previous posts.
while they quickly charge ignorance against Creationist's they fail to show Creationist's, or even
themselves for that matter, how non-living elements come to life all by themselves. if they could
do that, then they'd have a case for Evolution and the Big bang idea... but they can't.
The origins of the universe and life itself have nothing to do with the
theory of evolution. We know the universe exists and that life exists.
We know that living things evolve. This has been explained to you many
times but you demonstrate your ignorance by ignoring these facts.
Post by old man joe
who then are the ignorant ones ?
See above.
Post by old man joe
we notice that the Atheists must snip away what they can't address in my posts, thus doubling their
hypocrisy. the rational is just too high for them to attain so it's better for them to just ignore
it... then maybe the facts will go away . but they don't.
life, is not of this world. life comes from the Living God. they all know it because God made it
evident to them as we read in Holy Scripture in Ro.1:18 and following. it's not Creationist's who
they are trying so desperately to duck, it's the Living God who gives life to non-living elements.
remove the life and the non-living elements are just as non-living as before.
What makes you think your so-called "Holy Scripture" is true? Let's see
the evidence.
Post by old man joe
so let's see their dynamic cumulative intelligence answer, without them resorting to insults to
prove Evolution and the Big Bang, exactly how life came to be from elements that are not alive.
it can't be done, and they know it and show it.
Let's see your intelligent answer to the question of where your
so-called "Living God" came from. If you could do that, you'd have a
case for Creationism. It can't be done, and you know it and show it.
Ken
2011-07-13 15:11:39 UTC
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Enuf said!
raven1
2011-07-13 15:47:17 UTC
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:05:41 -0400, old man joe
<***@themarketplace.com> wrote:

Dumb...
...and dumberer.
Andrew W
2011-07-14 03:47:07 UTC
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Post by old man joe
its always interesting to read feedback to such subject matter. the
Atheists never, repeat, never, can prove their point of a universe in
the billions of years of age. the best they can do is attack the
poster.
Then why don't you check out what scientists say instead?
They do have some proof. You're the one who hasn't any.

The reason you get attacked is because you proudly claim stupid things.
this makes them sound right to themselves when they are
Post by old man joe
nothing more than scoffers worshiping at the shrine of speculation...
their science can't tell them where life comes from and they
studiously avoid addressing that subject with an intelligent answer.
Where life comes from is a different matter entirely. Its one that no one
knows, including you.
Post by old man joe
however, anyone can calculate the age of the earth from the Bible if
they are willing to put the time in.
Bahahaha!
Just like some can calculate when the world will end from the same magical
book eh?
--
Every theist is an atheist when it comes to everyone else's gods.
Education cures religious fundamentalism.
Yap
2011-07-14 04:09:35 UTC
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Does it really matter?
Here at Creation Moments, we stand firm in the belief that God created
the heavens and the earth in six 24-hour days. We also believe that
creation week took place less than 10,000 years ago … and that this
subject is very important!
Not surprisingly, atheistic evolutionists mock our view. Sad to say,
many creationists do the same. They take an old-earth position, basing
their views primarily on science rather than the Word of God.
Discussions between young-earth and old-earth creationists can get
pretty heated. But when all is said and done, young-earth creationism
is the only position that honors God by being consistent with biblical
truth.
This Week's Creation Action Moment
You don't need to be a scientist or theologian to understand this
vital issue. This week we've put together a handy list of articles
that support the young-earth position on origins. All of the following
articles – plus many more on the subject – can be found in the
Articles Library at the Creation Moments website. We hope you'll find
these articles informative and useful as you stand firm on the truth
of God's inerrant Word!
A Young Creation – Scripture's Clear Message by Paul Bartz
The Age of the Earth by Ian Taylor
How Can the Earth Be Relatively Young When Scientists Tell Us that
Rocks Are Billions of Years Old? by Ian Taylor
Billions of Years for the Earth! by Ian Taylor
Genesis Stands! by Richard Niessen
Light from the Bible on Evolution's Calendar by Robin D. Fish
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------
Creation Moments, Inc
its always interesting to read feedback to such subject matter.  the Atheists never, repeat, never,
can prove their point of a universe in the billions of years of age.  the best they can do is attack
the poster.  this makes them sound right to themselves when they are nothing more than scoffers
worshiping at the shrine of speculation... their science can't tell them where life comes from and
they studiously avoid addressing that subject with an intelligent answer.
however, anyone can calculate the age of the earth from the Bible if they are willing to put the
time in.  
for example, from Gen.5 we learn that the age of the earth from Adam to the Flood is 6023 years.
and its some 2000 years since the death of Christ.  that's already 8 thousand years.  it remains to
be studied the amount of years which past from the Flood to the death of Christ... some 5000 years.
already we find from the Bible the earth to be 13000 years old and the beginning of the universe 6
days older than this.
God did not create at night so its erroneous to say He created in six, 24 hour days... God Himself
defines a " day " as being 12 hours, Jn.11:9.  in six days of 12 hours of daylight did God create
the all things... no creating activity by Almighty God during the 12 hours of night, Gen.1.
to buy into the Atheists philosophy of a very, very old earth counted in the billions of years we
must first suspend rational thinking and take up name calling to prove our point.  we must suppose
that the elements of the earth from which all things consist... living things as well... gave itself
life and out of absolute sterility at that.  they've painted themselves into a corner when they
claim " early earth " was a smoldering ball of boiling material and poison gas out of which life
came to be from elements of the Periodic Table.
huh.  nothing of, and no combination of the elements of the Periodic Table are alive.  that brings
their " scientists " to claim " life came from outer space... always an intangible, un-scientific
answer.  the Big Bang idea came from an Atheist Catholic monsignor.  everybody knows the Word of God
teaches that idol worshipers as the Catholics are show themselves to be not redeemed... they're
merely religious Atheists who really worship created being's, their grave robbed bones and their
relics... their god is Mary.
no elements are alive but leave them alone long enough and they'll come to life all by themselves
according to ' science.'  that's the same as saying ' time ' is the missing ingredient which makes
non-living elements come alive. if that we true, everyone in the grave will eventually come back to
life if given enough ' time. '  after all... all of the elements comprising the human body are
already there in the coffin.
to lie about the age of the earth is to lie about God who spoke it into existence.
Hey, old man, your senility is failing you by the day.
Your nonsense above is proving that your mind has gone mad.
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