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The Atheists challenge the elect saying there is no proof of any God... as though they can accept real proof of God...
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old man joe
2009-12-15 10:19:16 UTC
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it's interesting to realize the extent of the delusion God says He send's on unbeliever's.

and He indeed send's delusion on them as we read in 1 Ki. 22:22; Ez. 14:9; 2 Thes. 2:1-12.

the heart's of those against God begin their life against Him from birth, ( Ps. 58:3 )
they do so not of their free will but of what is imposed by God on all of mankind because
of the sin of Adam. everyone is born estranged from God unless the Living God intervenes
giving someone of His choice life and the faith of Jesus Christ. Eph. 1:3-12

the Bible word " estranged " in Ps. 58:3 means to be a stranger... Paul illustrates this
in Eph. 2:12 when he tells us that even the elect of God were once dead in trespasses and
sins, stranger's from all of God's covenants of promise, alien's having no hope, as well
as coming into this world at birth as " atheos "... atheists... rendered " without God. "

mighty is the condemnation placed upon man as he comes into world at birth.

how then, since sin is the darkness with which man is born into the world, it being the
vehicle by which the Atheist understands the world around him, how then will he ever come
to accept the truth of God ? he comes into this world as an alien and goes out as an
alien bypassed for the saving grace of God in Christ... of course he will accept no proof
of God though the Living God should appear to him face to face... remember that Jesus
Christ, Emmanuel... God with us... walked the earth and many have seen Him, the Living
God, face to face which profited them nothing... as with Judas.

all the words of life eternal that were heard by the eleven were heard also by Judas. no
power to save by these many words of Christ were ever applied to Judas. as with all
Atheist's, Judas was one of whom the Word of God had no life changing power. and since the
same Word of God has power to change lives in those who's names He's written in His Book
of Life, it is assured that some perish by the Word while other's who are chosen believe
unto life by the same Word as we read in Acts 13:14-48.

it then becomes apparent that the Speaker of His Word bequeaths life unto life and death
unto death. 2 Cor. 2:15-17; Lk. 2:34; Jn. 6:39; 1 Pet. 2:7,8

we then should not be surprised that there is no proof of God which the Atheist will
accept simply because we told him so. Creation is all around us everyday, before our
eyes, but as far as the Atheist is concerned, the Living God certainly did not create it.
though the elements of the Periodic Table are not alive and the elements of the Periodic
Table constitute the human body, such tells the elect life comes from the Living God. but
the Atheist, born into sin and darkness not removed, does not see this. why ? because he
is a work " judged already " in times past chosen not to believe. Jn 3:18; 2 Cor. 4:3.

the Atheist is not outwardly terrified but arrogant about his position that there is no
God to answer to. out of the abundance of his heart his mouth speaks cursing toward the
Living God and the messenger's of His gospel. this certainly defines he is one of the
many on the path which leads to destruction.

Atheism then, is a matter in which those without Light come to know there is no Light
because the Truth does not benefit them. Jn. 1:5; 3:19
Erwin Moller
2009-12-15 12:12:29 UTC
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Erwin Moller
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"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare
St. Jackanapes
2009-12-19 05:44:41 UTC
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ Erwin Moller wisely said...
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Erwin Moller
Well said, Erwin. What happened to the old adage about the pointlessness
of feeding trolls. The Old Joe troll gets his weenie stiff when the
hated atheists get all worked up at his taunts. I must admit that many
of his asinine observations are so ridiculous that it's hard for many,
including myself, to not use them as springboards for humorous quips to
amuse our fellows.

So what do we do? I'm all for cutting off Joe's source of amusement:
replies. Cut off his source for his masturbation fantasies.

WHAT SAY THE REST OF YOU?
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St. Jackanapes
St. Jackanapes
2010-01-06 06:44:42 UTC
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Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, St. Jackanapes said...
Post by St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ Erwin Moller wisely said...
Post by Erwin Moller
<snipped bullshit propaganda and poor logic>
Erwin Moller
Well said, Erwin. What happened to the old adage about the pointlessness
of feeding trolls. The Old Joe troll gets his weenie stiff when the
hated atheists get all worked up at his taunts. I must admit that many
of his asinine observations are so ridiculous that it's hard for many,
including myself, to not use them as springboards for humorous quips to
amuse our fellows.
replies. Cut off his source for his masturbation fantasies.
WHAT SAY THE REST OF YOU?
Well, I can gather from the thunderous silence that everyone would
rather keep feeding the Old Joke Joe troll since he's such a predictable
and easy target. Much preferable than a real Christer adversary.
--
St. Jackanapes
Bob Young
2010-01-07 11:45:02 UTC
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Post by St. Jackanapes
Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, St. Jackanapes said...
Post by St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ Erwin Moller wisely said...
Post by Erwin Moller
<snipped bullshit propaganda and poor logic>
Erwin Moller
Well said, Erwin. What happened to the old adage about the pointlessness
of feeding trolls. The Old Joe troll gets his weenie stiff when the
hated atheists get all worked up at his taunts. I must admit that many
of his asinine observations are so ridiculous that it's hard for many,
including myself, to not use them as springboards for humorous quips to
amuse our fellows.
replies. Cut off his source for his masturbation fantasies.
WHAT SAY THE REST OF YOU?
Well, I can gather from the thunderous silence that everyone would
rather keep feeding the Old Joke Joe troll since he's such a predictable
and easy target. Much preferable than a real Christer adversary.
He is rather cowardly though as it seems that he has blocked my posts - the
system always bounces them back.

Perhaps I get him thinking too deeply for is own good.

I'll keep trying he may change into a nice person, given time and a little
more education from the humanistic standpoint
St. Jackanapes
2010-01-15 01:01:25 UTC
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Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Bob Young said...
Post by Bob Young
Post by St. Jackanapes
Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, St. Jackanapes said...
Post by St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ Erwin Moller wisely said...
Post by Erwin Moller
<snipped bullshit propaganda and poor logic>
Erwin Moller
Well said, Erwin. What happened to the old adage about the pointlessness
of feeding trolls. The Old Joe troll gets his weenie stiff when the
hated atheists get all worked up at his taunts. I must admit that many
of his asinine observations are so ridiculous that it's hard for many,
including myself, to not use them as springboards for humorous quips to
amuse our fellows.
replies. Cut off his source for his masturbation fantasies.
WHAT SAY THE REST OF YOU?
Well, I can gather from the thunderous silence that everyone would
rather keep feeding the Old Joke Joe troll since he's such a predictable
and easy target. Much preferable than a real Christer adversary.
He is rather cowardly though as it seems that he has blocked my posts - the
system always bounces them back.
I don't think that it's possible for him to block certain people from
responding to his posts. What do the rest of you think?
Post by Bob Young
Perhaps I get him thinking too deeply for is own good.
Thinking isn't his strong point.
Post by Bob Young
I'll keep trying he may change into a nice person, given time and a little
more education from the humanistic standpoint
Good luck with that.
--
St. Jackanapes
Bob Young
2010-01-21 10:38:01 UTC
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Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Bob Young said...
Post by Bob Young
Post by St. Jackanapes
Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, St. Jackanapes said...
Post by St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ Erwin Moller wisely said...
Post by Erwin Moller
<snipped bullshit propaganda and poor logic>
Erwin Moller
Well said, Erwin. What happened to the old adage about the pointlessness
of feeding trolls. The Old Joe troll gets his weenie stiff when the
hated atheists get all worked up at his taunts. I must admit that many
of his asinine observations are so ridiculous that it's hard for many,
including myself, to not use them as springboards for humorous quips to
amuse our fellows.
replies. Cut off his source for his masturbation fantasies.
WHAT SAY THE REST OF YOU?
Well, I can gather from the thunderous silence that everyone would
rather keep feeding the Old Joke Joe troll since he's such a predictable
and easy target. Much preferable than a real Christer adversary.
He is rather cowardly though as it seems that he has blocked my posts - the
system always bounces them back.
I don't think that it's possible for him to block certain people from
responding to his posts. What do the rest of you think?
Post by Bob Young
Perhaps I get him thinking too deeply for is own good.
Thinking isn't his strong point.
Post by Bob Young
I'll keep trying he may change into a nice person, given time and a little
more education from the humanistic standpoint
Good luck with that.
Some of them are going through now so maybe joe has pulled the plug, so to
speak. If he has it is a positive step.

Don't they call it a Killfile or something ?
St. Jackanapes
2010-01-24 06:02:56 UTC
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Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Bob Young said...
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Post by St. Jackanapes
Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Bob Young said...
Post by Bob Young
Post by St. Jackanapes
Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, St. Jackanapes said...
Post by St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ Erwin Moller wisely said...
Post by Erwin Moller
<snipped bullshit propaganda and poor logic>
Erwin Moller
Well said, Erwin. What happened to the old adage about the pointlessness
of feeding trolls. The Old Joe troll gets his weenie stiff when the
hated atheists get all worked up at his taunts. I must admit that many
of his asinine observations are so ridiculous that it's hard for many,
including myself, to not use them as springboards for humorous quips to
amuse our fellows.
replies. Cut off his source for his masturbation fantasies.
WHAT SAY THE REST OF YOU?
Well, I can gather from the thunderous silence that everyone would
rather keep feeding the Old Joke Joe troll since he's such a predictable
and easy target. Much preferable than a real Christer adversary.
He is rather cowardly though as it seems that he has blocked my posts - the
system always bounces them back.
I don't think that it's possible for him to block certain people from
responding to his posts. What do the rest of you think?
Post by Bob Young
Perhaps I get him thinking too deeply for is own good.
Thinking isn't his strong point.
Post by Bob Young
I'll keep trying he may change into a nice person, given time and a little
more education from the humanistic standpoint
Good luck with that.
Some of them are going through now so maybe joe has pulled the plug, so to
speak. If he has it is a positive step.
Don't they call it a Killfile or something ?
A killfile only stops the messages from downloading into the news reader
of the person who has killfiled you. Everyone else, including yourself,
still receives the message. He can't "block" you from posting onto
Usenet - he can only make your posts invisible to him in his own
computer.
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St. Jackanapes
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Erwin Moller
2010-02-03 10:52:23 UTC
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Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Bob Young said...
Post by Bob Young
Post by St. Jackanapes
Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, St. Jackanapes said...
Post by St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ Erwin Moller wisely said...
Post by Erwin Moller
<snipped bullshit propaganda and poor logic>
Erwin Moller
Well said, Erwin. What happened to the old adage about the pointlessness
of feeding trolls. The Old Joe troll gets his weenie stiff when the
hated atheists get all worked up at his taunts. I must admit that many
of his asinine observations are so ridiculous that it's hard for many,
including myself, to not use them as springboards for humorous quips to
amuse our fellows.
replies. Cut off his source for his masturbation fantasies.
WHAT SAY THE REST OF YOU?
Well, I can gather from the thunderous silence that everyone would
rather keep feeding the Old Joke Joe troll since he's such a predictable
and easy target. Much preferable than a real Christer adversary.
He is rather cowardly though as it seems that he has blocked my posts - the
system always bounces them back.
I don't think that it's possible for him to block certain people from
responding to his posts. What do the rest of you think?
Post by Bob Young
Perhaps I get him thinking too deeply for is own good.
Thinking isn't his strong point.
Post by Bob Young
I'll keep trying he may change into a nice person, given time and a little
more education from the humanistic standpoint
Good luck with that.
Some of them are going through now so maybe joe has pulled the plug, so to
speak. If he has it is a positive step.
Don't they call it a Killfile or something ?
Joe cannot control usenet.
(I am sure he wished he could.)

All your messages go to the server(s) and are distributed all over the
world.
Some newsgroups are moderated, meaning that a human (or a script written
by a human) decides which postings continue and which ones are blocked.

I don't know which newsgroups that Joe posts to are moderated (too many
to check), but the one that I read (alt.talk.creationism) isn't moderated.

So if your messages are not accepted for some reason, that reason is not
Joe.
A killfile is something completely different.
I have one on my newsreader: Some famous spammers go in there: all they
'publish' goes straight into 'valley of the lost bits' so I don't get
annoyed by seeing them. ;-)
But a killfile is a personal choice on your own personal computer.

Regards,
Erwin Moller
--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare
St. Jackanapes
2010-01-15 01:14:45 UTC
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Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Bob Young said...

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Post by Bob Young
He is rather cowardly though as it seems that he has blocked my posts - the
system always bounces them back.
Perhaps I get him thinking too deeply for is own good.
I'll keep trying he may change into a nice person, given time and a little
more education from the humanistic standpoint
I looked at the code in OTJ's headers, and there's nothing there to
interfere with your follow-ups. He does massively cross-post however.
The original post in this thread went out to 12 groups. That's
considered spamming. It's possible that something like your newsreader
or news server is choking trying to post to that may groups? It's just a
guess.

Here's OTJ's spam list:

alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism,alt.athiesm,alt.christnet.calvinist,
alt.flame.jesus.christ,alt.recovery.fundamentalism,
alt.religion.christian.lutheran,alt.religion.christian.presbyterian,
alt.religion.clergy,alt.religion.end-times.prophecies,
alt.talk.creationism,sci.med.cardiology
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St. Jackanapes
Bob Young
2010-01-21 10:38:02 UTC
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Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Bob Young said...
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Post by Bob Young
He is rather cowardly though as it seems that he has blocked my posts - the
system always bounces them back.
Perhaps I get him thinking too deeply for is own good.
I'll keep trying he may change into a nice person, given time and a little
more education from the humanistic standpoint
I looked at the code in OTJ's headers, and there's nothing there to
interfere with your follow-ups. He does massively cross-post however.
The original post in this thread went out to 12 groups. That's
considered spamming. It's possible that something like your newsreader
or news server is choking trying to post to that may groups? It's just a
guess.
alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism,alt.athiesm,alt.christnet.calvinist,
alt.flame.jesus.christ,alt.recovery.fundamentalism,
alt.religion.christian.lutheran,alt.religion.christian.presbyterian,
alt.religion.clergy,alt.religion.end-times.prophecies,
alt.talk.creationism,sci.med.cardiology
Many thanks

Bob
St. Jackanapes
2010-01-24 06:11:37 UTC
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Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Bob Young said...
Post by Bob Young
Post by St. Jackanapes
Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Bob Young said...
[CHOPPED UNNECESSARY STUFF]
Post by Bob Young
He is rather cowardly though as it seems that he has blocked my posts - the
system always bounces them back.
Perhaps I get him thinking too deeply for is own good.
I'll keep trying he may change into a nice person, given time and a little
more education from the humanistic standpoint
I looked at the code in OTJ's headers, and there's nothing there to
interfere with your follow-ups. He does massively cross-post however.
The original post in this thread went out to 12 groups. That's
considered spamming. It's possible that something like your newsreader
or news server is choking trying to post to that may groups? It's just a
guess.
alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism,alt.athiesm,alt.christnet.calvinist,
alt.flame.jesus.christ,alt.recovery.fundamentalism,
alt.religion.christian.lutheran,alt.religion.christian.presbyterian,
alt.religion.clergy,alt.religion.end-times.prophecies,
alt.talk.creationism,sci.med.cardiology
Many thanks
Bob
No problem. Just know that no one has the power to block you from
posting on Usenet except the company that supplies your News Feed. And
if they do, you just move to another. And if you do not want to worry
about censorship - move to Altopia.com. I've been with them since 1998
and have offended everyone imaginable - with nary a complaint from them.
And they're pretty much in line with what you're paying now going with
Newscene.com - I'm not familiar with Newscene. Maybe they're just as
anti-censorship as Altopia.com ?
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Erwin Moller
2010-02-03 10:57:03 UTC
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Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, St. Jackanapes said...
Post by St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ Erwin Moller wisely said...
Post by Erwin Moller
<snipped bullshit propaganda and poor logic>
Erwin Moller
Well said, Erwin. What happened to the old adage about the pointlessness
of feeding trolls. The Old Joe troll gets his weenie stiff when the
hated atheists get all worked up at his taunts. I must admit that many
of his asinine observations are so ridiculous that it's hard for many,
including myself, to not use them as springboards for humorous quips to
amuse our fellows.
replies. Cut off his source for his masturbation fantasies.
WHAT SAY THE REST OF YOU?
Well, I can gather from the thunderous silence that everyone would
rather keep feeding the Old Joke Joe troll since he's such a predictable
and easy target. Much preferable than a real Christer adversary.
LOL. :-)

Sorry for the thunderous silence: I didn't expect a more serious thread
coming out of that snipe of mine. ;-)

But, to me, your questions is difficult to answer.
Ignoring the spammers is maybe the best thing, but it is so damned hard
to see them post their hate all the time and do nothing.

It takes very little time to craft my original response. In case some
casual websurfer finds his lies, at least a reply is found too that
claims Joe is full of it.

But then again... don't feed the trolls.

I have been on usenet for many years, but in some cases I keep feeding. :-/

Regards,
Erwin Moller
--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare
St. Jackanapes
2010-02-12 07:25:29 UTC
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Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, Erwin Moller said...
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Post by St. Jackanapes
Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, St. Jackanapes said...
Post by St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ Erwin Moller wisely said...
Post by Erwin Moller
<snipped bullshit propaganda and poor logic>
Erwin Moller
Well said, Erwin. What happened to the old adage about the pointlessness
of feeding trolls. The Old Joe troll gets his weenie stiff when the
hated atheists get all worked up at his taunts. I must admit that many
of his asinine observations are so ridiculous that it's hard for many,
including myself, to not use them as springboards for humorous quips to
amuse our fellows.
replies. Cut off his source for his masturbation fantasies.
WHAT SAY THE REST OF YOU?
Well, I can gather from the thunderous silence that everyone would
rather keep feeding the Old Joke Joe troll since he's such a predictable
and easy target. Much preferable than a real Christer adversary.
LOL. :-)
Sorry for the thunderous silence: I didn't expect a more serious thread
coming out of that snipe of mine. ;-)
But, to me, your questions is difficult to answer.
Ignoring the spammers is maybe the best thing, but it is so damned hard
to see them post their hate all the time and do nothing.
It takes very little time to craft my original response. In case some
casual websurfer finds his lies, at least a reply is found too that
claims Joe is full of it.
But then again... don't feed the trolls.
I have been on usenet for many years, but in some cases I keep feeding. :-/
Regards,
Erwin Moller
You know, these days you are more than right. Usenet isn't the
same now that everyone has run to the safety of the blogs &
forums where they can complain if feelings get hurt. So yes, I'm
just as fucking guilty of feeding trolls for the sake of humor
and hilarity - Guilty as charged!
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St. Jackanapes
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raven1
2009-12-15 14:32:28 UTC
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Post by old man joe
it's interesting to realize the extent of the delusion God says He send's on unbeliever's.
Making three basic errors in just your first sentence ("It's" should
be capitalized, and the last two apostrophes don't belong) doesn't
exactly encourage the reader to continue. Try getting at least a fifth
grade education before you post again.
The Chief Instigator
2009-12-15 23:54:56 UTC
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Post by old man joe
it's interesting to realize the extent of the delusion God says He send's on unbeliever's.
Making three basic errors in just your first sentence ("It's" should
be capitalized, and the last two apostrophes don't belong) doesn't
exactly encourage the reader to continue. Try getting at least a fifth
grade education before you post again.
...which was more likely a third grade standard when I was that age (and the
calendars had "1963" on them).
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