Evolution : the suspension of one's belief in reality...

[unknown]

it doesn't take a scientist to look up into a clear night sky and conclude it's there by chance,
no, it takes an Atheist; Huh ! to say the universe created itself out of some Catholic Big Bang
idea is the same as saying a junk yard full of scrap iron exploded and built for itself a Nimitz
Class Aircraft Carrier complete with fighter jets and rail guns.

all the elements that can not produce life are in the world yet these Atheist's can't show which
one or ones actually give life to the other's. How come ? They say..." the building block's of
life came to earth on a comet. "... what building block's ? what comet ? " building blocks "
are not life... if it were, then a dead person with all of the " building blocks " still in him
shouldn't be dead.

and they won't say simply because they show themselves as avoiding the only answer there is...
which God made known to everyone... " since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His
eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been
made, so that they are without excuse. " Ro. 1:20

the wonder of Creation is one of the ways by which God makes Himself known... as well as by having
placed an innate awareness of the reality of His presence into every human being possessing rational
thought... " that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident
to them. " Ro. 1:19
.
the " they " of Romans 1:20 are " men who suppress the truth. "

the passage goes on to say that these who suppress the truth do so " in unrighteousness, " which
means they are reprobate, non elect; " alienated from the life of God, " Eph.4:18, Atheists...left
alone in this world without God by God's choice ( Jn. 17:9 ) ...those whom God sees fit to "
harden. " Ro. 9:18

being left up to themselves by God it's natural for these to think ' natural, ' which is to say,
they invariably show themselves as Atheists since these are passed by
( Eph. 2:12 ) for that saving grace which God delights in gifting those miserable sinner's He's
chosen in and of Himself to be the objects of His mercy.

amazingly enough, an Evolutionist / Atheist ( the two are inseparable ) would never, repeat, never
agree to go to a surgeon for a cardiac bypass who has the same understanding of surgery the
Evolutionist / Big Banger has of Creation.

when it comes to answering with proof as to how life started the Evolutionist can not use the
Periodic Table out of which all things living and not living are comprised. He ' must ' turn to the
absurd and say that life came from outer space. He can not reason well enough to conclude that
outer space is a hostile environment and anything from space crashing to earth is burned to a crisp
while passing through our atmosphere.

he can't say ' there was no atmosphere at the time this comet hit earth ' simply because he does
not prove life comes from the non-living Elements of the Periodic Table from which every thing with
life in it is made. Hey, boys, the Elements of the Periodic Table are all right here on earth...
now make them come alive to prove your point. He bypasses the most fundamental point and quickly
moves pass it only to add more untenable science.

Furthermore, he can not prove his ' early earth ' model was even capable of producing a living
thing since his explanation of early earth is that it was a sterile, toxic, burned out molten mass
of the Elements of the Periodic Table completely incapable of giving life to itself. Poor, poor Mr.
Atheist. Hey, wanna buy a bridge ?

[James]

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Post by unknown
it doesn't take a scientist to look up into a clear night sky and conclude it's there by chance,
no, it takes an Atheist; Huh ! to say the universe created itself out of some Catholic Big Bang
idea is the same as saying a junk yard full of scrap iron exploded and built for itself a Nimitz
Class Aircraft Carrier complete with fighter jets and rail guns.
all the elements that can not produce life are in the world yet these Atheist's can't show which
one or ones actually give life to the other's. How come ? They say..." the building block's of
life came to earth on a comet. "... what building block's ? what comet ? " building blocks "
are not life... if it were, then a dead person with all of the " building blocks " still in him
shouldn't be dead.
and they won't say simply because they show themselves as avoiding the only answer there is...
which God made known to everyone... " since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His
eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been
made, so that they are without excuse. " Ro. 1:20
the wonder of Creation is one of the ways by which God makes Himself known... as well as by having
placed an innate awareness of the reality of His presence into every human being possessing rational
thought... " that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident
to them. " Ro. 1:19
.
the " they " of Romans 1:20 are " men who suppress the truth. "
the passage goes on to say that these who suppress the truth do so " in unrighteousness, " which
means they are reprobate, non elect; " alienated from the life of God, " Eph.4:18, Atheists...left
alone in this world without God by God's choice ( Jn. 17:9 ) ...those whom God sees fit to "
harden. " Ro. 9:18
being left up to themselves by God it's natural for these to think ' natural, ' which is to say,
they invariably show themselves as Atheists since these are passed by
( Eph. 2:12 ) for that saving grace which God delights in gifting those miserable sinner's He's
chosen in and of Himself to be the objects of His mercy.
amazingly enough, an Evolutionist / Atheist ( the two are inseparable ) would never, repeat, never
agree to go to a surgeon for a cardiac bypass who has the same understanding of surgery the
Evolutionist / Big Banger has of Creation.
when it comes to answering with proof as to how life started the Evolutionist can not use the
Periodic Table out of which all things living and not living are comprised. He ' must ' turn to the
absurd and say that life came from outer space. He can not reason well enough to conclude that
outer space is a hostile environment and anything from space crashing to earth is burned to a crisp
while passing through our atmosphere.
he can't say ' there was no atmosphere at the time this comet hit earth ' simply because he does
not prove life comes from the non-living Elements of the Periodic Table from which every thing with
life in it is made. Hey, boys, the Elements of the Periodic Table are all right here on earth...
now make them come alive to prove your point. He bypasses the most fundamental point and quickly
moves pass it only to add more untenable science.
Furthermore, he can not prove his ' early earth ' model was even capable of producing a living
thing since his explanation of early earth is that it was a sterile, toxic, burned out molten mass
of the Elements of the Periodic Table completely incapable of giving life to itself. Poor, poor Mr.
Atheist. Hey, wanna buy a bridge ?

Also I have a large statue sitting in the New Your harbor that I would
like to sell for a good price. With so many gullible atheists around,
we are bound to get a nibble.

James
www.jw.org

[Ri]

As a scientist (biochemist to be exact) and a disciple of Christ, I have a different point of view. Indeed, there or atheist scientist sees the chance, I see the divine manifestation.

And the manifestation of god is easy to see for a Christian! Let's start at the beginning. There is a "law" of physics called entropy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy This law says that the entire universe goes to the disorder. But then how do we explain the "life"? (for a scientific "life" is an event that creates order) So there is a problem. The "law" entropy is corrupt.
Continue in the creation of life. At this point it is interesting to study the works of Miller and Urey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment Again we see the work of God. Because physiens "predict" the chaos, but God brings order. Indeed, the molecules tend to interact to give life. This is what scientists Urey and Miller demonstrate . Life out of chaos itself. It is a beautiful manifestation of God. And this is what is explained in 1.11 genesis "the earth bring forth grass, the grass seed, fruit trees that give fruit after his kind, whose seed that contain on earth"

We see here that science and Bible agree in genesis 1.11

And as regards the creation of mankind, the Bible says in genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let him have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the sky, the livestock, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. "
God, through the Bible does not say how he made ??adam. He just said he did. And also understand that God does not say how long it has been the "adam" (in Hebrew adam means humanity). Genesis in 1.26, it is explained that God has placed a day. One day!

The issue is here! Does it mean a day in human time a day, or a day time god. Indeed, we say (not the Bible) often a millennium is only little time for God. I certainly have not found in the Bible that time "seen" by god and different time "seen" by the men.
However if I share this assumption, 1.26 genesis and science are still okay.

Please, do not be too hard on me. I am European, and at home creationism does not exist. Again, the only real question is whether in genesis 1.26 a day corresponds to one day.

I am willing to discution.

Post by unknown
it doesn't take a scientist to look up into a clear night sky and conclude it's there by chance,
no, it takes an Atheist; Huh ! to say the universe created itself out of some Catholic Big Bang
idea is the same as saying a junk yard full of scrap iron exploded and built for itself a Nimitz
Class Aircraft Carrier complete with fighter jets and rail guns.
all the elements that can not produce life are in the world yet these Atheist's can't show which
one or ones actually give life to the other's. How come ? They say..." the building block's of
life came to earth on a comet. "... what building block's ? what comet ? " building blocks "
are not life... if it were, then a dead person with all of the " building blocks " still in him
shouldn't be dead.
and they won't say simply because they show themselves as avoiding the only answer there is...
which God made known to everyone... " since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His
eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been
made, so that they are without excuse. " Ro. 1:20
the wonder of Creation is one of the ways by which God makes Himself known... as well as by having
placed an innate awareness of the reality of His presence into every human being possessing rational
thought... " that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident
to them. " Ro. 1:19
.
the " they " of Romans 1:20 are " men who suppress the truth. "
the passage goes on to say that these who suppress the truth do so " in unrighteousness, " which
means they are reprobate, non elect; " alienated from the life of God, " Eph.4:18, Atheists...left
alone in this world without God by God's choice ( Jn. 17:9 ) ...those whom God sees fit to "
harden. " Ro. 9:18
being left up to themselves by God it's natural for these to think ' natural, ' which is to say,
they invariably show themselves as Atheists since these are passed by
( Eph. 2:12 ) for that saving grace which God delights in gifting those miserable sinner's He's
chosen in and of Himself to be the objects of His mercy.
amazingly enough, an Evolutionist / Atheist ( the two are inseparable ) would never, repeat, never
agree to go to a surgeon for a cardiac bypass who has the same understanding of surgery the
Evolutionist / Big Banger has of Creation.
when it comes to answering with proof as to how life started the Evolutionist can not use the
Periodic Table out of which all things living and not living are comprised. He ' must ' turn to the
absurd and say that life came from outer space. He can not reason well enough to conclude that
outer space is a hostile environment and anything from space crashing to earth is burned to a crisp
while passing through our atmosphere.
he can't say ' there was no atmosphere at the time this comet hit earth ' simply because he does
not prove life comes from the non-living Elements of the Periodic Table from which every thing with
life in it is made. Hey, boys, the Elements of the Periodic Table are all right here on earth...
now make them come alive to prove your point. He bypasses the most fundamental point and quickly
moves pass it only to add more untenable science.
Furthermore, he can not prove his ' early earth ' model was even capable of producing a living
thing since his explanation of early earth is that it was a sterile, toxic, burned out molten mass
of the Elements of the Periodic Table completely incapable of giving life to itself. Poor, poor Mr.
Atheist. Hey, wanna buy a bridge ?

[Free Lunch]

Post by Ri

Post by unknown
it doesn't take a scientist to look up into a clear night sky and conclude it's there by chance,
no, it takes an Atheist; Huh ! to say the universe created itself out of some Catholic Big Bang
idea is the same as saying a junk yard full of scrap iron exploded and built for itself a Nimitz
Class Aircraft Carrier complete with fighter jets and rail guns.
all the elements that can not produce life are in the world yet these Atheist's can't show which
one or ones actually give life to the other's. How come ? They say..." the building block's of
life came to earth on a comet. "... what building block's ? what comet ? " building blocks "
are not life... if it were, then a dead person with all of the " building blocks " still in him
shouldn't be dead.
and they won't say simply because they show themselves as avoiding the only answer there is...
which God made known to everyone... " since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His
eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been
made, so that they are without excuse. " Ro. 1:20
the wonder of Creation is one of the ways by which God makes Himself known... as well as by having
placed an innate awareness of the reality of His presence into every human being possessing rational
thought... " that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident
to them. " Ro. 1:19
.
the " they " of Romans 1:20 are " men who suppress the truth. "
the passage goes on to say that these who suppress the truth do so " in unrighteousness, " which
means they are reprobate, non elect; " alienated from the life of God, " Eph.4:18, Atheists...left
alone in this world without God by God's choice ( Jn. 17:9 ) ...those whom God sees fit to "
harden. " Ro. 9:18
being left up to themselves by God it's natural for these to think ' natural, ' which is to say,
they invariably show themselves as Atheists since these are passed by
( Eph. 2:12 ) for that saving grace which God delights in gifting those miserable sinner's He's
chosen in and of Himself to be the objects of His mercy.
amazingly enough, an Evolutionist / Atheist ( the two are inseparable ) would never, repeat, never
agree to go to a surgeon for a cardiac bypass who has the same understanding of surgery the
Evolutionist / Big Banger has of Creation.
when it comes to answering with proof as to how life started the Evolutionist can not use the
Periodic Table out of which all things living and not living are comprised. He ' must ' turn to the
absurd and say that life came from outer space. He can not reason well enough to conclude that
outer space is a hostile environment and anything from space crashing to earth is burned to a crisp
while passing through our atmosphere.
he can't say ' there was no atmosphere at the time this comet hit earth ' simply because he does
not prove life comes from the non-living Elements of the Periodic Table from which every thing with
life in it is made. Hey, boys, the Elements of the Periodic Table are all right here on earth...
now make them come alive to prove your point. He bypasses the most fundamental point and quickly
moves pass it only to add more untenable science.
Furthermore, he can not prove his ' early earth ' model was even capable of producing a living
thing since his explanation of early earth is that it was a sterile, toxic, burned out molten mass
of the Elements of the Periodic Table completely incapable of giving life to itself. Poor, poor Mr.
Atheist. Hey, wanna buy a bridge ?

As a scientist (biochemist to be exact) and a disciple of Christ, I have a different point of view. Indeed, there or atheist scientist sees the chance, I see the divine manifestation.
And the manifestation of god is easy to see for a Christian!

You really need to review what you write to see how your argument is
circular and self-serving. Just because a believer can believe what the
believer believes, that does not imply in any way that any evidence
supports that claim.

Post by Ri
Let's start at the beginning. There is a "law" of physics called entropy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy This law says that the entire universe goes to the disorder. But then how do we explain the "life"? (for a scientific "life" is an event that creates order) So there is a problem. The "law" entropy is corrupt.

Not even close. My first assumption is that you lied to us about being
involved in science.

Post by Ri
Continue in the creation of life. At this point it is interesting to study the works of Miller and Urey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment Again we see the work of God. Because physiens "predict" the chaos, but God brings order. Indeed, the molecules tend to interact to give life. This is what scientists Urey and Miller demonstrate . Life out of chaos itself. It is a beautiful manifestation of God. And this is what is explained in 1.11 genesis "the earth bring forth grass, the grass seed, fruit trees that give fruit after his kind, whose seed that contain on earth"
We see here that science and Bible agree in genesis 1.11
And as regards the creation of mankind, the Bible says in genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let him have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the sky, the livestock, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. "
God, through the Bible does not say how he made ??adam. He just said he did. And also understand that God does not say how long it has been the "adam" (in Hebrew adam means humanity). Genesis in 1.26, it is explained that God has placed a day. One day!
The issue is here! Does it mean a day in human time a day, or a day time god. Indeed, we say (not the Bible) often a millennium is only little time for God. I certainly have not found in the Bible that time "seen" by god and different time "seen" by the men.
However if I share this assumption, 1.26 genesis and science are still okay.
Please, do not be too hard on me. I am European, and at home creationism does not exist. Again, the only real question is whether in genesis 1.26 a day corresponds to one day.

Whatever. There's no evidence that any gods exist. There's no evidence
that any god, let alone an identifiable one, had anything to do with
creation.

Post by Ri
I am willing to discution.

Fix your newreader.

[Ri]

Post by Free Lunch

Post by Ri

Post by unknown
it doesn't take a scientist to look up into a clear night sky and conclude it's there by chance,
no, it takes an Atheist; Huh ! to say the universe created itself out of some Catholic Big Bang
idea is the same as saying a junk yard full of scrap iron exploded and built for itself a Nimitz
Class Aircraft Carrier complete with fighter jets and rail guns.
all the elements that can not produce life are in the world yet these Atheist's can't show which
one or ones actually give life to the other's. How come ? They say..." the building block's of
life came to earth on a comet. "... what building block's ? what comet ? " building blocks "
are not life... if it were, then a dead person with all of the " building blocks " still in him
shouldn't be dead.
and they won't say simply because they show themselves as avoiding the only answer there is...
which God made known to everyone... " since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His
eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been
made, so that they are without excuse. " Ro. 1:20
the wonder of Creation is one of the ways by which God makes Himself known... as well as by having
placed an innate awareness of the reality of His presence into every human being possessing rational
thought... " that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident
to them. " Ro. 1:19
.
the " they " of Romans 1:20 are " men who suppress the truth. "
the passage goes on to say that these who suppress the truth do so " in unrighteousness, " which
means they are reprobate, non elect; " alienated from the life of God, " Eph.4:18, Atheists...left
alone in this world without God by God's choice ( Jn. 17:9 ) ...those whom God sees fit to "
harden. " Ro. 9:18
being left up to themselves by God it's natural for these to think ' natural, ' which is to say,
they invariably show themselves as Atheists since these are passed by
( Eph. 2:12 ) for that saving grace which God delights in gifting those miserable sinner's He's
chosen in and of Himself to be the objects of His mercy.
amazingly enough, an Evolutionist / Atheist ( the two are inseparable ) would never, repeat, never
agree to go to a surgeon for a cardiac bypass who has the same understanding of surgery the
Evolutionist / Big Banger has of Creation.
when it comes to answering with proof as to how life started the Evolutionist can not use the
Periodic Table out of which all things living and not living are comprised. He ' must ' turn to the
absurd and say that life came from outer space. He can not reason well enough to conclude that
outer space is a hostile environment and anything from space crashing to earth is burned to a crisp
while passing through our atmosphere.
he can't say ' there was no atmosphere at the time this comet hit earth ' simply because he does
not prove life comes from the non-living Elements of the Periodic Table from which every thing with
life in it is made. Hey, boys, the Elements of the Periodic Table are all right here on earth...
now make them come alive to prove your point. He bypasses the most fundamental point and quickly
moves pass it only to add more untenable science.
Furthermore, he can not prove his ' early earth ' model was even capable of producing a living
thing since his explanation of early earth is that it was a sterile, toxic, burned out molten mass
of the Elements of the Periodic Table completely incapable of giving life to itself. Poor, poor Mr.
Atheist. Hey, wanna buy a bridge ?

As a scientist (biochemist to be exact) and a disciple of Christ, I have a different point of view. Indeed, there or atheist scientist sees the chance, I see the divine manifestation.
And the manifestation of god is easy to see for a Christian!

You really need to review what you write to see how your argument is
circular and self-serving. Just because a believer can believe what the
believer believes, that does not imply in any way that any evidence
supports that claim.

Post by Ri
Let's start at the beginning. There is a "law" of physics called entropy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy This law says that the entire universe goes to the disorder. But then how do we explain the "life"? (for a scientific "life" is an event that creates order) So there is a problem. The "law" entropy is corrupt.

Not even close. My first assumption is that you lied to us about being
involved in science.

Post by Ri
Continue in the creation of life. At this point it is interesting to study the works of Miller and Urey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment Again we see the work of God. Because physiens "predict" the chaos, but God brings order. Indeed, the molecules tend to interact to give life. This is what scientists Urey and Miller demonstrate . Life out of chaos itself. It is a beautiful manifestation of God. And this is what is explained in 1.11 genesis "the earth bring forth grass, the grass seed, fruit trees that give fruit after his kind, whose seed that contain on earth"
We see here that science and Bible agree in genesis 1.11
And as regards the creation of mankind, the Bible says in genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let him have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the sky, the livestock, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. "
God, through the Bible does not say how he made ??adam. He just said he did. And also understand that God does not say how long it has been the "adam" (in Hebrew adam means humanity). Genesis in 1.26, it is explained that God has placed a day. One day!
The issue is here! Does it mean a day in human time a day, or a day time god. Indeed, we say (not the Bible) often a millennium is only little time for God. I certainly have not found in the Bible that time "seen" by god and different time "seen" by the men.
However if I share this assumption, 1.26 genesis and science are still okay.
Please, do not be too hard on me. I am European, and at home creationism does not exist. Again, the only real question is whether in genesis 1.26 a day corresponds to one day.

Whatever. There's no evidence that any gods exist. There's no evidence
that any god, let alone an identifiable one, had anything to do with
creation.

Post by Ri
I am willing to discution.

Fix your newreader.

[Ri]

Excuse me, my previous message is corrupted

[Ri]

Post by Free Lunch
You really need to review what you write to see how your argument is
circular and self-serving. Just because a believer can believe what the
believer believes, that does not imply in any way that any evidence
supports that claim.

In fact, it is easy for a Christian to get the evidence he needs to. God answers our prayers. In any case, it answers some of mine. There once was a time when humanity felt the wind on your face without being able to discern its molecular in nature. This is the same for divine manifestations. Some people can not quantify its divine manifestations. They do not have the appropriate tool. And this tool is called the Holy Spirit. It allows me to see God everywhere there or he wants me to see.

If you want proof, you need to have faith.
In addition, in the Bible, God is presented as an entity that does not boast himself. Biblically God is humble. Nevertheless allowed to find those who seek.

Post by Free Lunch
Not even close. My first assumption is that you lied to us about being
involved in science.

Yet, science and education are my daily task. You know, it is possible to be Christian and scientific at the same time.

What is science if it is only a method. Only a method, nothing else. The scientist creates a hypothesis that valid or not by experimentation. An unverified hypothesis is that the romanticized literature.

There is nothing paradoxical to be a disciple of Christ and a scientist. All these things are compatible.

Post by Free Lunch
Whatever. There's no evidence that any gods exist. There's no evidence
that any god, let alone an identifiable one, had anything to do with
creation.

Yet the evidence is that for many in the Faith. I see the manifestations of God everywhere, even when I look in my microscope or the result of my chromatograph. God is everywhere. It is he who gives the breath of life. If it were to disappear, all life on the universe would cease. Most non-believers do not see their evidence because they lack a tool.
This tool is the Holy Spirit. That allows me to "see" God everywhere there or he wants me to see. Thanks to the Holy Spirit I'm never alone, I have a guide.

If you want proof you will have first Faith. God is more easily when you have faith.

Post by Free Lunch
Excuse me, my previous message is corrupted